Unapproved Minutes
IEEE 802.3 Next Gen ECDC Ad Hoc
Interim Meeting
May 23, 2016
Whistler, BC, Canada
Prepared by John D’Ambrosia
Table of Contents
Table of Contents .......................................................................................................................... 1
Session #1 – Single Pair BASE-T – Extended Reach ................................................................... 2
Session #2 – 400GbE Extended Reach Optics ............................................................................. 4
Attendees ...................................................................................................................................... 5
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Session #1 – Single Pair BASE-T – Extended Reach
Prepared by David Brandt
Meeting started at approximately 7pm
David Law introduces himself and chairs the overall meeting
Meeting introductions.
There is a review of Bylaws, Rules, and References for operating the meeting
CFI rules are discussed
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Request for CFI time slot must arrive to the 802.3 chair 35 days prior to presentation
(preferably the Sunday before)
o Tuesday July 26 in San Diego implies June 19
Only an 802.3 voting member may submit a CFI
A passing CFI motion leads to a WG closing plenary motion
A passing WG motion is a request, the EC decides which SGs get formed
Consensus building is key
Ludwig Winkel (Siemens) leads the consensus building exercise with a short context presentation:
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“IEEE 802.3 NG-ECDC Ad Hoc – CFI – Long Reach – Agenda – TF Whistler, 2016-05-23”
Ludwig introduces Mick McCarthy (Analog Devices Inc.) who covers a detailed presentation:
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“10Mb/s Extended Reach Single Twisted Pair Ethernet PHY”
http://www.ieee802.org/3/ad_hoc/ngrates/public/16_05/mccarthy_ecdc_01a_0516.pdf
Proposed CFI deck presentation:
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The new deck presents the same CFI topic, but with additional and more focused material
The goal is for a July CFI
Discussion/questions on deck:
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May not want to fix distance. If going for 5km, don’t fix data rate. SG validation? Exclude
outliers?
Replace terms like “large” with a number
Base-T add to 2.5/5G
Separate power topic to its own slide, how much power, how many
Rework discrete single twisted pair slide, points not obvious
Mass market 100M, 5 years away, robust
Why not slower, 1M?
Tutorial before PAR
Why single pair? Answer: That is what is installed.
State connector mechanism is SG topic.
Dotted lines s/b arrows on trend slide
IS discussion: “don’t preclude” is similar to EMC compliance
Need to get copyright permission if copying
Market ramp rate question
Add TM to BroadR-Reach
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10PASS-TS @ fixed rate? Clause to define use? Why not? 2 generations ago? Could be
used as a technology base. Narrower in capability.
DSL in feasibility, add newer ITU spec
General discussion regarding CFIs.
Ludwig Winkel will submit the CFI request for July.
John D’Ambrosia noted that he will get a room in July for CFI Consensus Presentation
preparations.
Instructions were provided for signing up to the NG-ECDC Reflector.
Meeting ended at approximately 9 pm.
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Session #2 – 400GbE Extended Reach Optics
Prepared by John D’Ambrosia
Meeting started at approximately 7pm.
John D’Ambrosia chaired the meeting.
Presentation: Agenda and General information
Presenter: John D’Ambrosia
URL: http://www.ieee802.org/3/ad_hoc/ngrates/public/16_05/agenda_ecdc_01a_0516.pdf
Presentation: Optical transmission feasibility for 400GbE Extended Reach PMD
Presenter: Yoshiaki Sone
URL: http://www.ieee802.org/3/ad_hoc/ngrates/public/16_05/sone_ecdc_01b_0516.pdf
Presentation: The Path Forward
Presenter: John D’Ambrosia
URL: http://www.ieee802.org/3/ad_hoc/ngrates/public/16_05/dambrosia_ecdc_01_0516.pdf
General discussion regarding how to proceed, and the types of data that would be helpful were
discussed: market applications and discussion of technical tradeoffs. It was noted that a white
paper focusing on determining the technical feasibility of solutions might be problematic, as it is not
the role of an ad hoc to determine technical feasibility. Discussion about potential tradeoffs in
developing a solution was discussed. The bandwidth requirements of extended reach optics was
also discussed, given the introduction of 200GbE at that meeting.
Meeting ended at approximately 8:00pm
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Attendees
NG-ECDC- July Plenary
Last Name
First
Name
Bains
Amrik
Brandt
Dave
Brillhart
Theo
Brownlee
Phil
Chabot
Craig
Chang
Ayla
D'Ambrosia
John
Donahue
Dove
Dube
Fife
Flatman
Gardner
Gong
Huang
Isono
Johnson
Jones
Karpenske
Kim
Kimber
Law
Lo
Masuda
McCarthy
McDermott
Moffitt
Perez de
Aranda
Piehler
Sakai
Sone
Srivastara
Stewart
Stover
Szczepanek
Tailor
Employer / Affiliation
Curtis
Dan
Kathryn
James
Alan
Andy
Zhigang
Xi
Hidaki
Stephen
Peter
Dave
Yong
Mark
David
William
Takeo
Mick
Tom
Bryan
Ruben
Cisco
Rockwell Automatioin
Fluke
TDK
UNH-IOL
Huawei
Futurewei, subsidiary of
Huawei
UNH-IOL
DNS
UNH-IOL
Etopus
LAN Technologies
LTC
O-Net
Huawei
Fujitsu Optical Components
UNH-IOL
Cisco
PCN Technology
Broadcom
Semtech
HPE
Marvell
Petra / OITDA
Analog Devices
Fujitsu
Commscope
KDPOF
David
Toshiaki
Yoshiaki
Atul
Heath
David
Andre
Bharat
Dell
socionext
NTT
NTT Electronics
LTC
LTC
Inphi
Semtech
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Tamura
Umnov
Wang
Wang
Winkel
Wu
Xu
Zhuang
Zimmerman
Kohichi
Alexander
Tongtong
Xinyuan
Ludwig
Peter
Qing
Yan
George
Oclaro
Corning
Huawei
Huawei
Siemens AG
Marvell
Belden
Huawei
CME Consulting
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