VICTORIAN TAFE VET IN SCHOOLS NETWORK
Meeting 1: Monday 14 April 2015
Victorian TAFE Association, Level 3, 478 Albert Street, East Melbourne
Meeting notes
Present:
Anna Hedjes (Bendigo Kangan), Dianne Dywer (Box Hill Institute), Gillian Raeburn (Chisholm Institute of
TAFE), Janine Martin (Federation Training), John Lee, Kim Michelini, Leanne Holland and Narelle Lowe
(GO TAFE), Jenny Anthony (Holmesglen Institute of TAFE), Susan Pettigrew (South West Institute of
TAFE), Emily Fortune and Linda Kearley (Swinburne University/TAFE), Julie Trewavis and Kim Boulton
(University of Ballarat), Kelly Gluyas (Victoria University) and Lana Hanssens (Wodonga Institute of
TAFE)
In attendance:
Daryl Sutton, Alison Wall and Danielle McAuliffe (VCAA)
Apologies:
Darlene Bull (Bendigo Kangan), Malcolm Humphries (Gordon Institute of TAFE), Tracey Forbes
(Sunraysia Institute of TAFE), Nita Schultz (Victorian TAFE Association) and Cary Warren (William
Angliss Institute of TAFE)
1.
WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS
New members were welcomed at the first meeting for the year.
2.
VCAA VET UNIT REPORT
Status of VCE VET programs for 2015
Referred members to the VCE VET Program Updates for 2015 document, which outlines the VCE VET
program changes for 2015, as printed in the VCAA Bulletin February.
Review of VCE VET programs for 2015/16

VCAA is planning a number of reviews to VCE VET programs due to the revision to training packages
associated with the new Standards for Training Packages. Many VCE VET programs are expected to
change for 2016. Expressions of interest for participation in reference groups will be advertised in the
VCAA Bulletin April.

The following programs have been identified:
o
Applied Fashion - this has not been reviewed since 2007. Waiting on new MST textiles,
clothing and footwear training package to be endorsed.
o
Automotive. The state accredited course will expire in December and the new qualification
will be available. The qualification will move from a state accredited course to a National
Qualification in 2016.
o
Community Services - Significant change is expected for the VCE VET program because of
the changes to the CHC training package. VCAA will investigate the Early Childhood
Education and Care Stream.
o
Furnishing - A new draft Certificate II Furnishing pathways qualification was available on the
6 April, which may impact on the new VCE VET Furnishing program. The scored program
may remain unchanged. Ongoing discussions are taking place with MSA.
o
Health - Scored assessment for Health will be up for discussion. This qualification has a
strong TAFE presence, and we welcome participation of your trainers/assessors in the
reference group.
o
Integrated Technology - Drawn from state accredited curriculum which has been endorsed,
for implementation from 1 July 2015. There will be a new VCE VET program in 2016, with the
Unit 3-4 scored sequence being investigated from 2016.
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o
Laboratory Skills - Waiting on the new MSL Laboratory Operations training package to be
endorsed.
o
Music – There is likely to be considerable change to the CUS Training Package and new
qualifications which may have multiple streams.
ACTION: Circulate a summary of the VCE VET Programs to be reviewed to all members. (Attached)
Scored Assessment Workshops
Workshops were conducted in March and well attended; numbers were the same as the previous year.
Positive feedback was received by attendees. Activities this year were more interactive and with a focus
on industry currency of trainers/assessors. A session on Industry Currency included: group discussion,
expert Industry Speaker (for hospitality), and an Industry Currency Survey.
Industry Currency Surveys will be collated and results used for planning and supporting teachers in the
future with maintaining Industry skills and knowledge.
Members can contact the VCAA with requests to run a customised Scored Assessment Workshop for
your staff, based on sufficient numbers.
ACTION: Copy of the Industry Currency Survey to be circulated to members. (Attached)
2015 Key VCAA Administrative dates
Key administrative dates were distributed with the Agenda. Members were reminded that the Monday, 27
April is Enrolment 2, an important cut-off date for Units 3 and 4 of scored VCE VET programs, for DET,
ISV and CEO VET funding.
3. VETIS PLANNING FOR 2015/2016
New VCE VET programs for 2015:
VCE VET Plumbing

A new VCE VET program is currently being explored. Plumbing is the only other trade area
where we currently do not have a VCE VET program available. VCE VET Plumbing will be drawn
from the Certificate II in Plumbing/Drainage. Waiting on the Victorian accredited curriculum to be
reviewed.
VCE VET Hair and Beauty

Awaiting the new SHB Hair and Beauty Services training package endorsement. The draft
Beauty qualifications are due to be released June 30. Hairdressing qualifications and units of
competency are still being drafted. This includes the new Certificate II Hair and Beauty
pathways qualification.

Service Skills Australia (SSA), the Industry Skills Council has confirmed that the Certificate II in
Hairdressing is to be removed due to no reflected industry job outcomes.
VCE VET Logistics and Warehousing

Awaiting the Transport and Logistics training package to be aligned to the Standards for Training
packages.
2014 Coursework Audit
Audit results were communicated to School Principals in Term 1, in time for teachers/trainers to register
for the Scored Assessment Workshops.
The majority of TAFE VETiS Network members received a list of the home schools and respective VCE
VET programs that were being audited.
Many members confirmed that they have not heard about the audit outcomes, and that schools have not
passed on the results to the appropriate person.
ACTION: VCAA to collect details of specific Department contact as well as VETiS Coordinator in the 2015
Audit process.
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Industry Currency
With the introduction of the Standards for Registered Training Organisation, trainers and assessors need
to have current industry skills directly relevant to the training and assessment being provided. Many
teachers/trainers may not satisfy the industry currency requirements, because they are not currently
working in the relevant industry. E.g. In Community Services, we know that teachers and trainers need to
have recent experience in the industry, not 5 years ago.
Members felt that ASQA needs to better define current industry practice and the evidence required to
sufficiently demonstrate current industry skills. It would be better to be specific about how much is
required to meet the trainer and assessor requirements. In some industries, continuing professional
development requirements are well-defined, e.g. For CPAs, 20 hours per year, memberships etc.
Other areas of discussion included: non-compliant auspiced trainers/assessor, RTOs approach to
capturing and recording industry currency of their staff, what support they provide and up skilling
activities. Training Skills Matrix, Vocational Competency Register, OHS currency and checklist to ensure
trainers are compliant in OHS in the event of an accident.
For some auspiced trainers/assessors in schools, time, access, budget and support is limited, and
opportunities to undertake industry currency activities are not available.
Members commented that the new Standards for RTOs mean that the auspiced delivery arrangement for
VETiS poses the highest risk to RTOs. The capacity for auspiced trainers and assessors to deliver is
becoming more challenging.. as most teachers are not from industry, many may have the qualifications
they deliver but do not have current industry skills and will be non-compliant. With the risk high, VETiS
delivery may not sustainable.
ACTION: VCAA will consider inviting ASQA to talk to members at a future TAFE VETiS Network meeting,
about Industry Currency expectations and what auditors are looking for.
Handbooks
Please send through draft handbooks to the VCAA for feedback. It is suggested that Subject to change
appear on all VCE VET programs (due to many training packages moving to the new Standards for
Training Packages by December 2015).
Taster programs possible structures
Some exploration work has begun on taster programs. There was good discussion on what a taster
program is, what is the structure, timing and duration, vocational learning versus vocational education and
training, funding for taster programs, and how to enrol students on VASS for taster programs.
In the design of a taster program it is recommended that units of competency from the VCE VET
programs are not used. Using Certificate II Foundation Skills with elective banks from a wide range of
industries is ideal.
ACTION: Continue the discussion on possible structures for taster programs at the next meeting.
Victorian Institute of Teaching - Permission to Teach Policy Review
Permission to Teach (PTT) Policy Review was published in the VCAA Bulletin March. Stakeholders were
invited to make a written submission to Victorian Institute of Teaching by 27 April 2015.
The VCAA
sent a submission addressing the discussion paper, key issues considered: PTT (CRT) category for
VETiS teachers, workforce shortages of VET trainers, alignment with ASQA standard 1.13 regarding
industry currency, more clearly communicate the requirements of PTT Policy, improvement of the
application form and process, meeting the requirements for second and subsequent PTT applications.
Daryl indicated that the definition of 'the school' in the Education and Training Reform Act (2006) is
causing some issues with VET teachers and PTT and may require amendments to the Act.
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4. OTHER BUSINESS
High level qualifications
Requests for students being enrolled in high level qualifications such as certificate IV and diplomas whilst
at school have increased significantly. The VCAA is developing a policy and approval process for a select
number of certificate IV and diploma qualifications; this will include, entry requirements for qualification,
appropriateness of qualification, pathway requirement, volume of learning etc.
Implications of this policy will mean that there is a process and clear guideline for schools to follow to
seek approval to enrol students into high level qualifications. This will be similar to the Higher Education
Studies Program, where students undertake a higher education study with eligibility determined according
to set criteria and endorsed by the school. Once the policy is approved, it will be communicated via the
VCAA Bulletin.
Pre-entry assessment for VET
There was a question from members on the LLN pre assessments for various VET courses where there is
a requirement of higher level maths and literacy skills. There was some discussion on which tests are
being used and when testing occurs. Pre entry tests must be related to the VET course.
Reports from TAFE’s and auspicing and delivery arrangements for 2015
Costs of auspicing arrangements were a key topic for discussion. Members openly talked about the
formula and possible models used for costing auspiced programs. Costing components included, per
student costs, per program costs, minimum number of students, capped fees, sliding scale, flat rate,
minimum costs, new start-up fee, continued relationship etc. Other costing considerations discussed
included: varying resources and services, extra support, program administration, professional
development and school visits.
It was agreed that the most effective costing model needs to consider income versus risk, viability, the
importance of being a community provider and providing a quality program.
2015 Meeting Dates
Proposed date for the second meeting in 2015 will be Tuesday 21 July.
ACTION: Email date to members.
General discussion

Tech Schools - a Victorian Government policy being developed to deliver 10 technical schools
across Victoria, these will be based on the Swinburne - Wantirna KIOSC model. Tech schools
locations are proposed in local government areas: Monash, Casey, Wyndham, Gippsland, Ballarat,
Bendigo, Geelong, Whittlesea, Lilydale and Greensborough. Sites under investigation include TAFE
Universities; the model is not designed for additions to school sites.
Acknowledgements:
This network would like to acknowledge the funding provided by the TAFE Development Centre (TDC)
and the contributions of the Victorian TAFE Association (VTA) in providing the venue, amenities and tea
and coffee in support of the network activities.
The meeting notes are prepared by the VCAA VET Unit. Please contact us on 9032 1733with your
comments or if you would like further information.
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VCE VET Programs under review for 2015
Minor reviews will be conducted as a consequence of updated Training Packages where changes have been made
to qualficiations and UoC codes. Qualifications and UoCs are typically equivalent. Major reviews will be conducted
where qualifications have undergone change to their structure or outcome.
The following table provides a summary of the review process anticipated for VCE VET programs during 2015.
VCE VET Program (VES enrolments on VASS)
Review Process
Scored Assessment
VCE VET Agriculture, Horticulture, Conservation and Land Management
Minor
NA
Minor
NA
Major
NA
NA
NA
Minor
NA
NA
NA
Minor
Available
NA
NA
Major
Revised scored
assessment from 2017
NA
Available
NA
NA

AHC20110 Certificate II in Agriculture (Release 4)

AHC20410 Certificate II in Horticulture (Release 3)

AHC21010 Certificate II in Conservation and Land Management (Release 3)
VCE VET Animal Studies

ACM20110 Certificate II in Animal Studies (Release 3)
VCE VET Applied Fashion Design and Technology

LMT21707 Certificate II in Applied Fashion Design and Technology (Release 1)
and selected units of competency from LMT31407 Certificate III in Applied Fashion
Design and Technology (Release 1) contained within the VCE VET program
VCE VET Applied Language

22149VIC Certificate II in Applied Language

22150VIC Certificate III in Applied Language
VCE VET Automotive

22015VIC Certificate II in Automotive Technology Studies (Version 1.3)
VCE VET Building and Construction

22216VIC Cert II in Building and Construction Pre-apprenticeship (Version 1)
VCE VET Business

BSB20112 Certificate II in Business (Release 1) and selected units of competency from
Certificate III in Business (Release 1) contained within the VCE VET program
VCE VET Cisco

CISCO22263VIC Cisco – CCNAv5 Routing and Switching
VCE VET Community Services

CHC20112 Certificate II in Community Services (Release 1) and selected units of
competency from CHC30112 Certificate III in Community Services Work (Release 2)
and CHC30113 Certificate III in Early Childhood Education and Care (Release 3)
contained within the VCE VET program
VCE VET Dance

CUA20113 Certificate II in Dance (Release 1) and selected units of competency
from CUA30113 Certificate III in Dance (Release 1) contained within the VCE VET
program,
VCE VET Electrical Industry

22261VIC Certificate II in Electrotechnology Studies (pre-vocational) (Version 1)

UEE22011 Certificate II in Electrotechnology (Career Start) (Release 4)
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VCE VET Programs under review for 2015
VCE VET Program (VES enrolments on VASS)
Review Process
Scored Assessment
VCE VET Engineering Studies
NA
Available
NA
Available
Major
Revised scored
assessment
arrangements to be
advised
Major
Scored assessment to
be available from 2017
Minor
Available
Minor
Available
Major
Revised scored
assessment
arrangements to be
advised
Major
Revised scored
assessment
arrangements to be
advised
Minor
Revised scored
assessment available
from 2016
Major
Revised scored
assessment
arrangements to be
advised
NA
NA
NA
Available

22209VIC Certificate II in Engineering Studies (Version 1)
VCE VET Equine Studies

22246VIC Certificate II in Equine Studies (Version 1)
VCE VET Furnishing

MSF20313 Certificate II in Furniture Making (Release 2) with selected units from
MSF30213 Certificate III in Furniture Making (Release 1) contained within the VCE
VET program
VCE VET Health

HLT21212 Certificate II in Health Support Services (Release 1)

HLT32412 Certificate III in Allied Health Assistance (Release 2)

HLT32512 Certificate III in Health Support Assistance (Release 1)
VCE VET Hospitality

SIT31013 Certificate III in Catering Operations (Release 1), which incorporates:
 SIT20213 Certificate II in Hospitality (Release 1)
 SIT20312 Certificate II in Kitchen Operations (Release 1)
 SIT30713 Certificate III in Hospitality (Release 1)
VCE VET Information and Communications Technology

ICA20111 Certificate II in Information, Digital Media and Technology (Release 1)

ICA30111 Certificate III in Information, Digital Media and Technology (partial
completion) (Release 2)
VCE VET Integrated Technologies

22071VIC Certificate II in Integrated Technologies (Version 2)
VCE VET Interactive Digital Media

CUF20107 Certificate II in Creative Industries (Media) (Release 1)

CUF30107 Certificate III in Media, CUF07 Version 1.2 (Release 1)
VCE VET Laboratory Skills

MSL30109 Certificate III in Laboratory Skills (Release 3)
VCE VET Music

CUS20109 Certificate II in Music (Release 2)

CUS30109 Certificate III in Music, (Release 2)

CUS30209 Certificate III in Technical Production (Release 2)
VCE VET Small Business

22247VIC Certificate II in Small Business (Operations/Innovation) (Version 1)
VCE VET Sport and Recreation
 SIS20213 Certificate II in Outdoor Recreation (Release 1)

SIS20313 Certificate II in Sport and Recreation (Release 1)

SIS30513 Certificate III in Sport and Recreation (Release 1)
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Industry Currency Survey
VCE VET PROGRAM NAME: ______________________________
Industry currency is the maintenance of a trainer’s technical skills and knowledge; it is keeping current with current industry
knowledge, skills and practice.
1.
Have you undertaken any of the following activities to maintain your industry skills and knowledge? If so please tick:
 Industry/workplace visits
 Attended expos/trade fairs
 Qualifications/industry licensing
 Industry association and membership
 Attended workshops/webinars/conferences
 Industry placement (if so how many days_______ )
Work shadowing
 Meetings with industry representatives
 Subscription to professional journals and publications
 Training courses in new industry procedures or equipment
 Networking with industry mentors, employers and other trainers
 Development of learning/assessment resources with industry partners
Others (please specify):___________________________________________________________________________________________
2.
Have you applied the knowledge/skill gained by undertaking the activities listed in Question 1 to your training and assessing?
 YES
3.
 NO
Approximately how frequently / how many hours per year do you undertake industry activities?
 Less than 8 hours
4.



1 – 3 days
3 – 5 days
More than 5 days
Does your RTO provide opportunities for you to update your industry skills and knowledge related to the specific units of
competency you deliver or assess?
 YES

NO
If YES, which of the following does your RTO provide:
 Clearly supported professional development
 Networking activities with industry mentors, employers and other trainers
 Meetings with industry representatives
5.
How does your school support you in maintaining your industry currency?
 Provide time release
 Replacement teacher/trainer
6.
 Cover travel costs
 Cover costs of membership to professional associations
What are the barriers you have experienced to maintaining your industry currency?
 Limited capacity for local industry to provide access
 Limited opportunities for meaningful industry experience
 Limited budget for industry currency maintenance (replacement
7.
8.
teacher/trainer)
Do you keep a record of your industry currency?

 Travel costs
 Limited RTO/School support
 Limited access to industry activities/employers/ networks

YES
NO
What could be done to support you in maintaining industry skills and knowledge?
 Provide information on industry links
 Provide information on industry workshops and up skilling activities
 Provide guest speakers from industry at program specific workshops
 Provide networking opportunities for teachers/trainers of VCE VET programs to collaborate and share their currency experiences
Others (please specify):___________________________________________________________________________________________
9. Any additional comments
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Contact details (optional)
Name: ___________________________________
Organisation:________________________________
Thank you for your time!