JTC1 Ad Hoc Mar 2011 agenda 18 Mar 2011 doc.: IEEE 802.11-11/0311r0

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JTC1 Ad Hoc Mar 2011 agenda

18 Mar 2011

Authors:

Name Company Phone

Andrew Myles Cisco email

+61 284461010 andrew.myles@cisco.com

Submission Slide 1 Andrew Myles, Cisco

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This presentation will be used to run the JTC1 Ad

Hoc meetings in Singapore in Mar 2011

• This presentation contains a proposed running order for the IEEE 802.11

JTC1 Ad Hoc committee meeting in March 2011, including

– Proposed agenda

– Other supporting material

• It will be modified during the meeting to include motions, straw polls and other material referred to during the meeting


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Participants have a duty to inform in relation to patents

• All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-

SA Patent Policy (IEEE-SA SB Bylaws subclause 6.2). Participants:

– “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents

— “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims

– “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of

“any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)

– The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an

Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group

• Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged; there is no duty to perform a patent search


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There are a variety of patent related links

• All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-

SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.

• Patent Policy is stated in these sources:

– IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws

— http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6

– IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual

— http://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3

• Material about the patent policy is available at

– http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html

• If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent

Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html

• This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/patslideset.ppt


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A call for potentially essential patents is not required in the JTC1 Ad Hoc

• If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:

– Either speak up now or

– Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or

– Cause an LOA to be submitted


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc will operate using general guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings

• All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.

– Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.

– Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.

— Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.

— Technical considerations remain primary focus

– Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.

– Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.

– Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.

• See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and

“Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.


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Links are available to a variety of other useful resources

• Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation

– http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html

• Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines

– http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf

• Link to IEEE Code of Ethics

– http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html

• Link to IEEE Patent Policy

– http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette

• IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization

• Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization.

• Individuals are to address the “technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about the presenter.


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a very general proposed agenda for the Singapore meeting

Tuesday AM1

• Call to Order

• Select recording secretary

• Approve agenda

• Conduct meeting according to agenda

• Recess

Wednesday AM1

• Call to Order



• Recess

Thursday AM2

• Call to Order



• Adjourn


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc has a detailed list of agenda items to be considered

Tuesday AM1:

• Approve agenda

• Approve minutes from Jan in LA

• Review extended goals

• Review status of liaisons previously sent to SC6

• Discuss responses to identifier conflict liaison previously sent to SC6

• Update on status of ISO/IEC 8802-11:2005

• Update on status of ISO/IEC 8802-3:2000

• Update on WAPI progress


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Wednesday AM1:

• Discuss a proposed 802.1X/AE related liaison


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Thursday AM2:

• Review and approve any liaisons to SC6

• Approve delegation for next SC6 meeting


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc will consider approving its agenda

Motion to approve agenda

• The JTC1 Ad Hoc approves the agenda for its meeting in Singapore in

March 2011, as documented on pages 9-13 of <this slide deck>

• Moved:

• Seconded

• Result


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc will consider approval of previous minutes

Motion to approve minutes

• The JTC1 Ad Hoc approves the minutes for its meeting in LA in January

2011, as documented in 11-11-0248-00-0jtc-jtc1-ad-hoc-jan-2011minutes.doc

• Moved:

• Seconded

• Result


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The JTC1 Ad Hoc reaffirmed its general goals in

Sept 09, but they were extended in Nov 2010

Agreed ( with changes from Nov 2010 ) goals

• Provides a forum for

802 members to discuss issues relevant to both:

– IEEE 802

– ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• Recommends positions to ExCom on ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 actions affecting IEEE 802

– Note that 802 LMSC holds the liaison to SC6, not 802.11 WG

• Participates in dialog with IEEE staff and 802 ExCom on issues concerning IEEE ’s relationship with ISO/IEC

• Organises IEEE 802 members to contribute to liaisons and other documents relevant to the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 members

Extensions

• The extensions to our goals came out of the 802 ExCom ad hoc held in

November 2010 on the Friday evening


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The 802.11 WG has liaised various Sponsor Ballot drafts to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

Task

Group

TGmb

TGs

TGu

TGv

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LA

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Orlando

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Beijing

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SD

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Hawaii

Liaised after

Dallas

Liaised after

Dallas

Mar 10 May 10 July 10 Sept 10 Nov 10

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No technical comments have been received on any of the drafts liaised to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• No formal technical comments have been received

• A Swiss NB representation has noted a possible input informally

–

I have discovered three years ago some flaws in 8802-11:2005, in the basic

MAC protocol specs (the sequence number handling) which I would like to verify in the actual draft version, and report to you if it is still there

– Note: it has since been reported that the alleged problem has already been fixed in IEEE 802.11-207


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Two responses were received to the IEEE 802.11 liaison to SC6 related to identifier conflicts

• IEEE 802.11 WG liaised a document to SC6 in early Dec 10 noting a conflict between WAPI and 802.11 identifiers

–

11-10-1359-01-0jtc-liaison-letter-to-sc6-in-relation-to-identifiers.doc

• Both the Swiss and Chinese NBs have responded

– The responses are similar


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The Swiss NB has responded to the IEEE 802.11 liaison related to identifier conflicts

• The Swiss NB has submitted a response to SC6 in relation to identifier conflict s between WAPI and 802.11k

– See embedded document to right

• The Swiss NB counter proposal is:

– Perform additional checks when encountering an IE 68, to distinguish the WAPI and 11k IEs.

– Document dual use in the ANA registry.

– For implementations combining WAPI and 802.11k, ISO/IEC 20011 should allocate another identifier for the 11k IE and other values for the two related status codes, following the ANA-mechanisms.

– Any identifiers required by future extensions of ISO/IEC 20011 or any other Sc6 work referring to and requiring interoperability or coexistence with IEEE 802.11 shall be properly registered using the ANA-mechanisms.


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The Chinese NB has responded to the IEEE 802.11 liaison related to identifier conflicts

• The Chinese NB has submitted a response to SC6 in relation to identifier conflict s between WAPI and 802.11k


• The Chinese NB comments summarised are:

– IEEE 802.11k caused the problem by conflicting with WAPI, which existed before 11k

– It is unreasonable for WAPI to change given “billions” of deployed systems since

2003

– A pragmatic approach is to allocate the IE to both 11k and WAPI, with a note that additional parsing is required to differentiate the use of the IE

– Going forward the IEEE becomes the registration authority for 8802-11


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The JTC1 ad hoc developed a rough consensus for of a response to the Swiss & Chinese NBs in Jan 11

• A rough consensus developed during discussions in LA

– Endorse the addition of PC text in the ISO 20011 draft to account for the IE collision between WAPI and 802.11k.

– Assign NEW IEs out of the ANA registry and forward them to SC6 and encourage them to transition to these new IEs going forward while using the PC text recommendation in the transition. (this does not require a request from SC6 to the 802.11 ANA)


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The JTC1 ad hoc will consider a proposed response to N14544 and N14511

• A possible liaison has been developed to reflect the consensus

– See embedded document

• The ad hoc will:

– Discuss the liaison on Tuesday

– Consider approval of a final version of the liaison on Thursday


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SC6 is currently determining the status of 8802-

11:2005

• ISO/IEC reviews the status of standards after 5 years using a “systematic review” processs

• It was reported in Jan 2011 that 8802-11:2005 (IEEE 802.11- 2003) was subjected to this process


• The recommend action was “confirm”

– Withdraw : 0

– Revise/Amend : 1 (Jamaica)

– Confirm : 11 (Belgium, China, Czech Rep, Ireland, Italy, Korea, Netherlands,

Nigeria, Norway, Spain, USA)

– Abstain : 21

– Stabilize : 0


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IEEE 802.3 has asked SC6 for 8802-3:2000 to be withdrawn

• It has been confirmed that ISO/IEC 8802-3:2000 is also part of the systematic review process in SC6

• The IEEE 802.3 WG has sent a liaison to SC6 asking that ISO/IEC 8802-

3:2000 be withdrawn


• The reasons were:

– ISO/IEC 8802-3:2000 is very out of date

– The PSDO cooperation agreement of March 2008 formalized the full recognition by ISO and JTC1 of IEEE Standards for reference purposes in the development of ISO and JTC1 standards

• It has previously been decided that 802.11 WG would not make the same request to ensure ISO/IEC 8802-11 unambiguously had

“international” status given the WAPI issue

– IEEE 802.3 does not currently have a similar issue


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It was recognised by the ad hoc in Sept 09 that

WAPI is of vital interest to the JTC1 Ad Hoc

• It was agreed by the JTC1 ad hoc in Hawaii in Sept 09 that WAPI remains an important and constant issue for consideration

• This is the case for a variety of reasons, possibly including:

– WAPI appears to duplicate functionality of 802.11i

– The promoters of WAPI assert that 802.11i is insecure

– It is unclear how or whether 802.11i and WAPI can coexist

– …


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The new project proposal for WAPI in ISO/IEC

JTC1/SC6 was approved in early 2010

• WAPI was submitted by the China to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 as a New Project proposal for a stand alone standard

• No response has yet been received from the IEEE 802 liaison to SC6 in

Nov 2009 ( 09/1254r1 )

– This liaison noted that the claims that IEEE 802.11 is not secure are unfounded

– The liaison also suggests that WAPI should be submitted to IEEE 802.11 for consideration

– This liaison was discussed at the SC6 meeting in Jan 10 but no reply was received

• The SC6 National Bodies subsequently approved the New Project

– 10 out of 18 NB’s voted “yes” (10 required)

– 5 NB’s stated they would participate in the project (5 required)


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There was some discussion of WAPI at the SC6 meeting in London, and a comment ballot started

• A new version of WAPI was proposed

– The previous version was written as an amendment

– The new version is written as a standalone standard

— It references 8802-11:2005, which is actually IEEE 802.112003

– The new version is called 20011 instead of as 8802-11 amendment

• Dispositions were also provided to comments by NB’s related to the

WAPI NP proposal

– Only comments were from US and UK

– The proposed responses to the comments were subject to a ballot closing on 6 Jan 11


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No response has been received in relation to IEEE

802 rebuttal of false assertions about 802.11 security

• IEEE 802 liaised a document to SC6 in early Jan 10 noting various erroneous claims about 802.11 in the WAPI NP proposal comment resolution document

– 11-10-1358-02-0jtc-liaison-letter-to-sc6-in-relation-to-n14436.doc

• No response has been received as of March 2011

• The IEEE 802.11 WG has been encouraged to participate in SC6 and any comment resolution meeting

• It is assumed that any IEEE 802 representatives at the SC6 meeting in

June will represent the views in this liaison


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No response has been received in relation to US NB comments on the proposed NP dispositions

• Only one NB provided a response to the proposed comment disposition

– US: see document to right

• No response has been received to these comments

• It is assumed they will be addressed at the SC6 meeting in June in San

Diego


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The status of the “WAPI copyright issue” is unknown

• Previous versions of the WAPI specification contained IEEE copyrighted material

• The IEEE staff were working with ISO and SAC to resolve the copyright issues

• It is unknown whether the copyright issues are now resolved given the recent rewrite of WAPI


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There were a number of items of particular interest to IEEE 802 discussed at the London SC6 meeting

• The Chinese NB made proposals in London (Sept 10) for alternatives to:

– 802.11 – new PHY and MAC (NuFront)

– 802.1X – proposal is based on TePA (IWNCOMM)

– 802.1AE – proposal is TLSec (IWNCOMM)

– 802.16 security – proposal is TAAA (IWNCOMM)

• It was proposed that SC6 start Study Periods to examine these proposals before formal projects are started

• However, the documents were submitted too late for any formal resolutions to start Study Periods

802.11 802.1X

Submission

802.1AE

802.16 security

Slide 31 Andrew Myles, Cisco

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The Chinese NB security related proposals were all based on TePA

• SC27 has approved TePA (Triple-Element Peer Authentication )

• TePA is essentially the authentication part of WAPI

• TePA is defined as an amendment to 9798-3 (Information technology --

Security techniques -- Entity authentication -- Part 3: Mechanisms using digital signature techniques)

• The security proposals (replacements of 802.1X, 802.1AE and 802.16 security) are all directly or indirectly based on TePA


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The China NB has confirmed that they will be making multiple NP proposals

• The actual NP proposals or motions are not yet available but the NP topics are on the agenda for the San Diego meeting in June 2011

– See SC6/WG1 agenda embedded

• The SC6/WG1 agenda includes

– 5.4. Other proposals related with LAN

— 5.4.1 Access control ← 802.1X security replacement

— 5.4.2 PHY MAC Spec ← 802.11 replacement

— 5.4.3 Further enhancement on LAN Security ← 802.1AE replacement

— 5.4.4 MAC Security Specifications ← 802.16 security replacement

• It is not clear if there are associated motions

• Any motions will considered by SC6

– The proposed SC6 agenda is currently very generic


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The JTC1 ad hoc will consider material related to

SC6 proposals to replace 802.1X/AE

• Two members of the 802.1 Security Task Group reviewed, during the

Nov 10 plenary, the contribution to ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 promoting a replacement to 802.1X/AE

• They concluded the contribution was misleading and inaccurate

– … comments on IEEE Std 802.1AE-2006/IEEE Std 802.1X-2010 are either inaccurate or could be misleading in a number of major respects particularly when presented those who are not familiar with the current state of the art of both bridging and security technology


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The JTC1 ad hoc will consider material related to

SC6 proposals to replace 802.1X/AE

• A possible liaison has been developed based on the 802.1 Security Task

Group tiger team review


• The ad hoc will:

– Discuss the liaison on Wednesday

– Consider approval of a final version of the liaison on Thursday


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The next ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 meeting is being held in

June 11 in San Diego

• SC6 has a meeting every 9 months or so

– The last meeting was held in Sept 10 in London

– The next meeting is scheduled for 20-24 June 11 in San Diego

– The following meeting is in China in March 2012

• IEEE 802 will appoint attendees during the March 2011 plenary meeting

• Official positions will be established in March, and possibly May


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All decision and positions related to China will be reviewed by the IEEE International Ad-hoc

• The IEEE SA BoG has determined that the IEEE International ad hoc committee is required to review:

– any documents related to China that will be represented as an IEEE position

– any decisions related to China


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The JTC1 ad hoc will consider approval of IEEE 802 delegates to the SC6 meeting in San Deigo

• The next SC6 meeting is in San Diego on 20-24 June 2011

• Volunteers as delegates to the SC6 meeting so far include:

– Bruce Kraemer (HoD)

– Others?

• A number of regular IEEE 802 attendees are likely to attend the SC6 meeting as part of NB delegations


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The JTC1 ad hoc will consider approval of IEEE 802 delegates to the SC6 meeting in San Deigo

• The ad hoc will consider the following motion

– The IEEE 802 JTC1 ad hoc recommends to IEEE 802 ExCom that the following people be appointed to be part of an IEEE 802 delegation to the SC6 meeting in

San Diego in June 2011

— Bruce Kraemer (HoD)

— <Others?>

– Moved

– Seconded

– Result

– Action: will be considered by IEEE 802 ExCom on Friday


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The JTC1 ad hoc will consider motions to approve liaisons

<tbd>


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