Minutes* Faculty Consultative Committee Thursday, November 17, 1994 12:30 - 3:00 Dale Shephard Room, Campus Club Present: John Adams (chair), Carl Adams, Thomas Burk, Sheila Corcoran-Perry, Dan Feeney, Virginia Gray, James Gremmels, Roberta Humphreys, Morris Kleiner, Geoffrey Maruyama, Harvey Peterson, Michael Steffes, Gerhard Weiss Regrets: Kenneth Heller Absent: Lester Drewes, Robert Jones Guests: Associate Vice President Carol Carrier, Professor Robert Holt, General Counsel Mark Rotenberg, Professor David Ward Others: Martha Kvanbeck (University Senate), Maureen Smith (University Relations) [In these minutes: Several miscellaneous but important items; confidentiality in reviews of administrators; Judicial Committee issues and problems; role of the Vice President for Research and Dean of the Graduate School in the reorganization] 1. Various Items of Business Professor Adams convened the meeting at 12:30 and told his colleagues that there were a number of issues that they needed to deal with. -- It has been noted by Rabun Taylor that the Academic Freedom statement is scheduled for the Board of Regents for information in February and action in March--which would not permit timely consideration of the statement at the February and May Senate meetings. Should the Board be asked to defer consideration, pending Senate review? It may be that the item has already been postponed; Professor Adams agreed to check. There are two views on the statement, Professor Adams noted: one, do a simple remodeled version of the 1938 statement, and do it promptly; two, there are more issues that need to be addressed, at a greater level of detail; proponents of the first view believe the second would insert materials inappropriate to a policy statement. Committee members who spoke urged a simple and straightforward statement, with only minor changes in the 1938 version. -- There has been a new statement, "Report on Strategic Planning," from the Provostal Subcommittee (co-chaired by Senior Vice President Infante and Associate Vice President Pfutzenreuter) to the * These minutes reflect discussion and debate at a meeting of a committee of the University of Minnesota Senate or Twin Cities Campus Assembly; none of the comments, conclusions, or actions reported in these minutes represent the views of, nor are they binding on, the Senate or Assembly, the Administration, or the Board of Regents. Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 2 Transition Task Force. It defines the roles, responsibilities, and requirements for each level of academic administration: President/central administration, provost/chancellor, college, and department. The Transition Task Force is the group advising on the distribution of work between the provosts and central administration. The Committee on Finance and Planning will take it up on December 13, Professor Gray reported. -- There has been a question raised about the status of University College; it was reported that the Committee on Educational Policy has this as one of its agenda items. -- University Relations has asked whether anyone has opinions about FOOTNOTE. Professor Feeney reported that the Committee on Faculty Affairs is considering the issue of a faculty newspaper or magazine that would be news-based, not part of faculty governance, that would provide a variety of information to faculty, and will be back to the Committee in January. Committee members deliberated a number of ways to improve communication with the faculty. FOOTNOTE received generally approbative comments. One suggestion was that since FCC members are occasionally criticized as professional governance types who do not represent faculty ("governance junkies," in the words of another Committee member), perhaps an interview from time to time with an FCC member, to illuminate what they do, might be helpful. -- Professor Feeney has suggested a joint meeting with FCC and the Committee on Faculty Affairs. Professor Feeney explained the background to the proposition--primarily related to faculty perceptions of the administration and its attitude towards the faculty, and the perception that only Consultative Committee members have all the information. It was agreed that the issues would be discussed at the December 1 FCC meeting, and the joint meeting would be held on December 15. -- There has been a flap, now apparently resolved, about possible cancellation of the fifth year of the Restructuring and Reallocation plan. Several individuals wrote to the administration, when they learned of this proposal, and several "deans jumped off chairs" and asked for clarification. The President has now written to clarify that year five is in place and will not be cancelled, and that as soon as the budget situation with respect to the legislature is clarified, year one of U2000 will be put in place in ways that accommodate year five of the earlier plan. The earlier document, from the Budget and Finance Office, was quite clear that year five was CANCELLED, pointed out one Committee member, and the chairs in one college were VERY upset. This type of memo does not increase confidence in the administration. Professor Gray reported that the Finance and Planning Committee was amazed that such a big decision was made, not only without consulting the faculty but apparently without much administrative consultation, either. Faculty reacted strongly because that kind of decision undervalues participation in the planning process: faculty work and work on plans, and then later they are casually thrown out. If that is the case, why should they work on U2000? The memos that have been issued seem to be clear in part and not in other parts, so it seems that this is an issue that will bear careful scrutiny for the rest of the year. Is there not a technical question of phasing the budget process, and this was a first and mechanical Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 3 step? Last year, it was said, the reallocation funds were included in this phase; this year they were not. Is there not also a problem of talking with the budget people but not understanding what they are saying? What does seem clear is that the initial letter from Associate Vice President Pfutzenreuter to line officers was procedurally out of order. When the deans raised questions about the decision with Senior Vice President Infante and asked if there were a mistake, it was reported, Dr. Infante said there was not. Senior Vice President Erickson defended the decision at the Finance and Planning meeting. How, all of a sudden, can it be a mistake? It was troublesome to learn that the Senior Vice Presidents defended the policy and the President was left to backfill and smooth feelings. Would this have all gone through if CLA had not raised questions? This raises the issue of duplicity; other interpretations may be too generous. It will be important for the Committee to keep an eye on this issue all year, it was said; it can aid the line officers, who are in more vulnerable positions than are Committee members. Senior Vice President Infante will be at the next Finance and Planning Committee meeting, on December 6, to discuss the issue, Professor Gray reported. -- There have been incidents affecting individual faculty health care coverage that have been serious; what has happened? Professor Feeney reported that the Director of Employee Benefits, Dianne Mulvihill, has taken steps to cover most of the problems that have arisen (most of which are related to faculty on leave or termination notices for faculty on nine-month appointments). One problem at Morris--which may be spreading to the other campuses--is the appointment of temporary, non-continuous faculty for 9-month appointments: if a termination notice is issued for June, they only receive 8 months of coverage (because there is an initial one-month waiting period before coverage takes effect); if no termination notice, coverage is for the year, since the premiums are paid for a full year. This raises the larger issue about putting the faculty on 12-month contracts, said one Committee member; Professor Adams agreed that it should be revisited in order that the University pay people for what they do here, and match reality with appointments. 2. Confidentiality in Reviews of Administrators Professor Adams next welcomed Associate Vice President Carrier and General Counsel Mark Rotenberg to discuss the legal issues associated with reviews of administrators. He noted that there has been a recurring concern about what must be, and what need not be, confidential when feedback is sought on administrator performance. How can the law be honored, and fair and complete reviews performed, when people in vulnerable positions may cause trouble for themselves if they are frank? Dr. Carrier pointed out that Professor Feeney has appointed a small group of Faculty Affairs members to look at the administrative review process, and that Senior Vice President Infante has also asked for the development of a process of review that would standardize them, at least for central officers. The two groups will coordinate their efforts. Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 4 Mr. Rotenberg expressed pleasure at joining the Committee, his first opportunity since being appointed General Counsel. He invited Committee members to contact him about any interest or concern they may have related to any legal position of the University. Before becoming General Counsel, he related, he was a labor and employment litigator, and had experience counseling clients regarding evaluations of administrators and avoiding claims of retaliation. His clients, however, were principally large private sector corporations; at the University, everyone is a public employee, and constrained by the Data Practices Act--which gives employees the right to see their personnel files. In this context--which is not the same for the private sector--ANY evaluative documentation maintained by the employer (including committees appointed to conduct evaluations for the employer, by delegation of authority) must be available for inspection by the employee. That presents a problem: if all evaluative documents are to be made available to the employee, how does the University protect against retaliation? There is no magic answer, but there are at least a couple of things that can be done. First, oral conversations with the evaluator can remain confidential. One can make an appointment to meet with the evaluator--which itself remains confidential--and orally describe concerns, which can be taken into account in the review. The information should be incorporated in some kind of documentary form (assuming it is negative) so that the employee being reviewed can respond--and if returned to the position, to help the employee improve. That is simply good human resources practice. But people can be encouraged to come forward and provide information in this way. So, Dr. Carrier hypothesized, the Provost can appoint one or two faculty as recorders in the review of a dean; people can talk to those recorders and be confident their remarks will remain confidential but that they will go into the record? Yes, as long as the recorders do not reveal the names of those with whom they spoke, Mr. Rotenberg said. The process may need some tweaking, he pointed out, in order to have a fair evaluation; administrators should not be confronted by volumes of hearsay evidence and no means to address it. Recorders, in that example, need to provide enough detail that the administrator can respond to the concern. The second possibility is to send out a survey and not solicit personal identification from the respondents, Mr. Rotenberg said. The surveys should contained focused questions related to the individual's job description. The review committee and appointing authority can take the surveys into account, and they will be anonymous. These two options sound reasonable, said one Committee member; why have they not been practiced around the University? In the case of the review of Senior Vice President Infante, for example, the two choices for participation were to attend an open meeting or submit a signed letter. The faculty are evaluated anonymously in their classes; why not administrators? There has been no uniformity in evaluation, Dr. Carrier said; every different approach has been used. Another Committee member recalls having been told that any unsigned documents are to be discarded out of hand. Is that true? Mr. Rotenberg replied that within the confines of the law, there are prudent and imprudent things one can do. One might NOT accept unsigned documents; that may not be prudent, however. The Data Practices Act does NOT require everyone to sign a document--nor does it violate the law for an evaluator to REJECT all unsigned documents. All the law provides is that any Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 5 document related to the employment status of the employee that is maintained by the employer must be made available to the employee. What determines what goes into the file, asked one Committee member? A team investigates and takes notes of its conversations, then submits a summary of the notes to the review committee; what is the status of the notes? Are they part of the file? Inclusion of summaries without attribution is not a problem, but the status of written notes can be. Does this relate to the distinction between imprudent and illegal? The law has swallowed up much discretion, Mr. Rotenberg responded, but not in this case--there is a lot that administrators can do that is wise or stupid in terms of determining what will be in the file. If the Regents or Dr. Infante or University policy say that raw notes should be summarized and placed in the file, the law will hold the University accountable if that summary is not placed there--but not for the raw notes, if University policy is not to maintain them in any official way. Those notes can be disposed of. So, concluded one Committee member, if the University were to begin using a uniform evaluation protocol, doing so could open up opportunities not now available as well as define the boundaries of the process. Another Committee member raised two questions. First, it has been said that if some kind of recorders are used, the names of those who spoke to the recorders must be disclosed; is that true? Second, in terms of anonymous letters, the responses have been varied: a lot of people will not submit such letters; others say they must be signed or cannot be accepted. Is the policy that one can write anonymous letters? There is widespread concern that if one cannot, the entire review process is compromised. Yet another Committee member recalled an incident in which three essential individuals had not participated in an administrative review; the comments of the three were obtained by one member of the review committee and summarized for the review. After the review, the office was reorganized and those three individuals lost their jobs; it APPEARED to be retaliation. If the information obtained is too specific, and the individual being reviewed knows who they are, the University cannot shield them, If that is what happens, faculty are going to simply ignore the entire evaluation process. Can one ask, on a survey, if the administrator should be removed? Yes, Mr. Rotenberg said. One can lawfully ask anything that does not seek discriminatory or irrelevant information. It was suggested that the practices in Vice President Allen's units might be examined as worth emulating. There is a policy that every administrator should be reviewed every year as well as periodically, Dr. Carrier commented, but the administration hears occasionally from someone who hasn't been reviewed in years. The annual reviews, said one Committee member, are not effective and perfunctory. Another Committee member said there is no good reason not to have anonymous reviews--faculty NSF proposals are reviewed that way, as are papers, and as are faculty by students. A method could be devised. When a student applies to a program, there is often a box that can be checked indicating the student forgoes the right to see what is in the file; could that same option be used in reviews? Mr. Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 6 Rotenberg said he did not know if such a provision would hold up in court, and later agreed to provide the Committee with a legal opinion on the issue, and whether there is a distinction between what student applicants can do on a form and what administrators who are being reviewed might be able to do. This has been confusing, said one Committee member. In the case of a review of one dean, the faculty were told to submit signed letters; many refused to do so. When the central office was asked, they were told a signature was required or the letter would be discarded, although confidentiality for signed letters was assured if they were sent. From what has been said today, such confidentiality could not be guaranteed, but that signatures were not required. One way to obtain information might be to have a name and signature on the outside envelope, to ensure that it is a legitimate source of information, but then to discard the envelope and retain the unsigned letter. This suggests that the Committee should push hard to establish a uniform, coherent procedure that meets with the requirements of the law. Until a policy is established, must the University require signed evaluations, asked another Committee member? The law does not require them, Mr. Rotenberg reaffirmed. If the evaluator judges that good information will not be received unless the evaluations are signed, that is a matter of prudent judgment. Some evaluators may conclude that anonymous information is not reliable; others may conclude that a fuller range of views will be obtain if signatures are not required. The LAW does not require signatures. May a review committee look at the report of a previous review committee? There is nothing unlawful about letting an evaluator look at a previous review, Mr. Rotenberg said; such a practice may or may not be good human resources practice, but the law does not speak to it. What about disposition of the review committee report? Usually no one knows anything, except that the individual has been reappointed. The report, said another Committee member, goes to the person who makes the appointment; once the review is complete, the job is done and the review committee has no continuing existence. There is no obligation to report how things turned out, Dr. Carrier said. Professor Adams said the Committee will wish to hear later in the year about progress in the development of a uniform procedure. He thanked Dr. Carrier and Mr. Rotenberg for joining the meeting. 3. Judicial Committee Issues Professor Adams welcomed Professor David Ward, chair of the Senate Judicial Committee, to report to FCC on the functioning of the Judicial Committee and the questions that need the attention of FCC. For the first part of his discussion, Professor Ward asked that the meeting be closed in order to discuss the issues associated with cases currently in front of the Judicial Committee. Following the review of cases, Professor Ward noted that the Minnesota Court of Appeals had offered some harsh criticisms of the way the Judicial Committee operated, so some of its rules must be changed. The changes to be proposed will be brought back to FCC later in the year. Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 7 Professor Ward then described some of the difficulties the Judicial Committee faces. Each year, one-third of its members--the most experienced ones--rotate off, and in any given year faculty are on leave, must work on grants, and so on, and this year four of the new members are unable to attend any of the meetings. As a result, the pool of experienced individuals who can serve on panels is too small. Next year, many of the members will have very little experience in the committee's work. And many committee members refuse to serve as hearing officers--they do not want to deal with banks of attorneys and complicated legal motions. He has appointed a subcommittee to work on changing the procedures, in accord with the Court of Appeals comments, so that professors do not have to interpret complicated legal documents. The result will be that the proceedings will be more like a military court-martial: the panel will hear questions and answers but will not conduct the hearings. The cost of faculty participation, however, is high, and they know that everything they do can go to the Court of Appeals for review, so they must try to ensure there are no procedural faults. With more complicated cases, such as termination and tenure denial, there is a need for a different way to appoint committee members--but it should remain all-faculty. Professor Ward said he speaks with EVERY complainant, and all believe their best hope is for their case to be heard by a panel of peers, not a panel of lawyers. There are other models for appointment. Each side in a case has the right to one peremptory challenge, he told the Committee, and if a faculty member has been either a complainant or an administrator, they are almost invariably challenged by one side or the other--one individual was challenged in every case, and finally resigned from the committee because she could not serve on panels. Serving on a panel is a very time-consuming effort for faculty; there is a lot to read and the hearings can take three full days and evenings--and they are usually scheduled for weekends, which is the most convenient for panel members. The Committee also operates year-round, and it has been lucky to have nine-month faculty who have been willing to participate during the summer. They now receive a small stipend for doing so. The Committee on Committees, reported two members of FCC, has a hard time with Judicial Committee appointments. Many faculty say they are willing to serve, but do not realize what is involved; there has to be something done about faculty expectations. It may be that they need to be relieved of coursework or other academic responsibilities, because they cannot serve effectively if they are not. Another problem, said one Committee member, is that the General Counsel represents the University, not the faculty; there needs to be a focus that reflects faculty interests. The Judicial Committee now has its own legal counsel, Professor Ward commented; he recalled that he had told the President that he and all the members of the committee would resign if they did not obtain their own counsel. But it is very easy, he said, to let the attorney run everything; one panel member has complained that the lawyer "should be on tap, not on top." The process works well, he concluded, but it is appealing to let the lawyer run things. FCC will receive proposed changes later in the year, Professor Ward affirmed, but in the meantime something must be done about appointment and tenure of members. They either must serve longer terms, Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 8 so all the experienced members don't rotate off, or the lawyers will indeed run things. Professor Adams thanked Professor Ward for meeting with the Committee and promised to consider the issues he had raised. 4. Role of the Vice President for Research and Dean of the Graduate School Professor Adams turned to Professor Robert Holt, former Dean of the Graduate School, to talk about the role of the Vice President for Research and Dean of the Graduate School (hereinafter VPRDGS)--a position he was instrumental in having established. Professor Holt commented that several questions have come up about the position of the VPRDGS; one question he said he does NOT know why arises is whether to have the position. One can ask why have a provost or a vice president just as well. One suspects it comes up, he said, because one role exercised by the Graduate School is quality control; asking if the Graduate School should exist is like asking the foxes if the farmers should guard the chicken coop. And there are foxes out there, he added. One question, given the position, is whether it should be one person or two. A central feature of the research and graduate education enterprise in the United States, at least since World War II, is that the two are tied closely together; there are relatively few governmental institutes to do research, unlike in other countries. The United States made the decision that much basic research would occur in universities and be tied to graduate education, with the students as apprentices and as young blood. This form of graduate education is the envy of the world, Professor Holt said. A recent survey of top executives of foreign companies with U.S. operations asked them what they most liked about the United States and wanted to emulate in their own countries; at the top of the list, by far, the American research university, where graduate education and research are combined. Graduate education policies are research policies, and vice-versa, he said, and universities work best when they are together. There are a number of organizational patterns for graduate education and research. One is to have one central officer responsible for graduate education and research; this is the model, for example, at Wisconsin, Berkeley, and Texas (with varying titles and jurisdictions). Another is to have a Vice President for Research, and a Dean of the Graduate School, where both are central officers who essentially hold vice presidential rank and sit on cabinets and so on; this is the model at Michigan and UCLA. These two organizational structures work very well. Some patterns do NOT work, he said. One is to have a Vice President for Research, and a Dean of the Graduate School who reports to the Vice President for Research; problems emerge. This has been the structure at Michigan State, Penn State, and until recently, Iowa. Another model that is not appropriate for Minnesota is to not have a Dean of the Graduate School, which is the case at Chicago, Johns Hopkins (in effect), and until recently at Harvard. It works at those institutions because they are mirror-images of the University of Minnesota--they have large graduate student enrollments and smaller undergraduate numbers. The Vice President for Research fulfills a service function, said one Committee member, while the Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 9 Dean of the Graduate School is an academic officer. The problem here has been that the research enterprise has not been seen as a service entity. Professor Holt said he would get to that issue. But the structure does affect incentives, he observed. His preference is for the VPRDGS to be one person and not to think of the "research side" and the "graduate education side." To think of them that way misses the point. In the new organization of the administration, especially, to have the individual as part of the central staff and decision-making bodies will be terribly important, Professor Holt said. In any big organization, there are two kinds of information needed to make important decisions: aggregated data (average cost per student credit hour, and so on), and good disaggregated data (what is happening in one program compared to what is happening in another). If one is reallocating funds, and if one wants to support the best departments, one doesn't ask each dean to identify the ten best departments in the college--the best department in one college may be worse than the ten best in another. The Dean of the Graduate School has this information. The information the provosts and vice presidents have all comes up the chain of command and is aggregated; for sound decision-making, the University needs someone like the Dean of the Graduate School involved who bring disaggregated information to the central decision-making process. The administration also needs someone in close contact with the faculty. He recalled that between Cabinet meetings, he sat with over 100 faculty, or over 250 per quarter; it was rare if anyone else had sat down formally with more than 10. That contact with faculty provides a different perspective at the central level; in one instance he could recall, the proposed wording of one report to the Board of Regents was insulting to faculty. This could only be recognized by someone who had frequent interactions with the faculty. The VPRDGS must be an equal member of major decision-making bodies. One could interpret his remarks as a criticism of the administration, said one Committee member. Professor Holt pointed out that one does not EXPECT central officers to spend all their time meeting with faculty. One could change the administration, he agreed in response to a question, but the models at other institutions work, and he said he knew of no place where every central officer is expected to meet regularly with large numbers of faculty. What is the unique role of the VPRDGS, asked one Committee member? One unique role is to be responsible for policies on graduate education and research. A second derives from the fact that the faculty is collectively responsible for the integrity of the Ph.D. degree; the Dean of the Graduate School is their agent. There are enormous pressures to undermine the integrity of the Ph.D. The accountants, for example, may say a program is too expensive, and it could have two or three times as many students. Most programs subject to that kind of pressure would increase the number of students--and then use the numbers as evidence that they need additional funds--were there no quality control exercised. Many programs cannot increase the number of undergraduates, but they can increase their graduate enrollments. In one program he recalled, Dr. Holt, EVERY applicant was in the bottom half of their undergraduate class; he pointed that out. The system provides incentives to operate that way; there must be a place in the University that can say "no." Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 10 Professor Holt was asked about the promotion and tenure process and the role of the provosts and VPRDGS. Under the reorganization, it was noted, promotion and tenure decisions would be made by the provost, with only "technical" review by central administration. In the past, the office of Academic Affairs has had responsibility for academic quality. In his first three years as dean, Professor Holt recalled, he read EVERY promotion and tenure file-that was a source of disaggregated information. Those who have written of their experience as academic administrators have related that they spent an enormous amount of time on hiring and promotion decisions. If there is ONE thing a central officer should do, it is that, he said. It is partly a matter of the quality of the FILES themselves, so one is able to assess candidates; some files are abysmal and prevent evaluation of the individual. Others are excellent. It is important to have a place to look at files and tell others how to prepare them. If he has one objection to the reorganization, he said, it is the end of the central role in this function. Another important role of the VPRDGS is that of inspector general, accomplished through such activities as program reviews. Those kinds of evaluations bypass the chain of command, and are normal in research universities. They are also very important; they provide information that would never come up the chain of command (in one instance he recalled, the external review said a department would be better off if it had fewer faculty--and the number fewer was two digits--what dean is going to pass that information along, he asked?). Should the authority of the position be retained by making it a system officer? Professor Holt thought so. He said he has seen little rationale for the reorganization; what it appears to be is setting up provosts as top administrators and the vice presidents as the general staff to do planning. But certain chains of command will remain, such as in finance; the University cannot permit each provost to adopt a different accounting system. The Graduate School works in the same fashion--it penetrates down and deals in areas where the provosts cannot be autonomous because the impacts would go beyond their areas of jurisdiction. In graduate education and research, for example, there must be control over highpowered instrumentation and over replication of faculty expertise in different departments--there is much on the margins of graduate education and research that does not fall neatly within provostal jurisdiction. What prevents the provosts from doing things differently? The President must prevent them, Professor Holt said. Their jurisdiction must be clear. In his last years as dean, he recalled, he spent a great deal of time on turf battles. If the reorganization is to work, the jurisdictional questions must be dealt with at the outset. Professor Holt agreed with the observation that the research function must be seen as service activities (such as ORTTA), not an agglomeration of controls. If that does not happen, there will end up being three ORTTAs and three different ICR rates, for example. It is through the Dean's office, he said, that a broad base of faculty participate regularly and systematically in decision-making. What is more important to the faculty than if ORTTA is not run right, he asked? There must be someone with a University-wide orientation. No one else, he pointed out, would have worked to create the McKnight Land Grant professors--but he did, during the Minnesota Campaign, Faculty Consultative Committee November 17, 1994 11 to provide support for junior faculty. Over 100 have been appointed, he said, and very few have left the University. It is bothersome that the provosts have their own authority while that of the VPRDGS derives from the President, said one Committee member. The Dean of the Graduate School should be responsible for graduate education, not the provosts, Professor Holt responded, and that must be clear at the beginning. He said he believed the Provost for the Arts and Sciences position description is deficient; the person will have a lot to do but will be responsible for little. Decentralization should not occur unless the decision space is partitioned, in disjunctive sets, so that autonomous decisions do not spill over into other areas. After that, there are some things that are not covered, which is where the central staff comes in--finance, University Relations, and graduate education, for example. If one wants the advantages of decentralization, he maintained, the jurisdiction of the provosts must be specified. His final point, he said, is that there are funds that the University should not want decentralized, not under one provost. If the money is in their budgets, it will be spent. But there are times when the University must be able to act quickly, in an evaluative way, and the VPRDGS can do so. It would take three times as long to respond if all the funds are decentralized. Professor Adams thanked Professor Holt for providing his views to the Committee, and then adjourned the meeting at 3:00. -- Gary Engstrand University of Minnesota