District Education Committee MINUTES of the Districtwide Meeting February 19, 2010, 9:30am – 12:30pm Committee: Date: Attendance: Co-Chairs: Facilitators: Note Taker: Guests: Absent: Educational Committee February 19, 2010 Wise E. Allen, Betty Inclan, Donald Moore, Linda Berry, Krista Johns, Jenny Lowood, Bob Grill, Pieter de Haan, Karolyn van Putten, Inger Stark, Anita Black, Carlos McLean, Donna Marie Ferro, Debbie Weintraub, Ayele Lemma, David Reed, Eric Gravenberg, Bonnie Schaffner, Pat Jameson Wise E. Allen, Jenny Lowood Linda Berry, Kerry Compton [Krista Johns (alt.)] Pat Jameson Joseph Bielanski, Debbie Budd, Michael Orkin, Linda Sanford Kerry Compton, Jannett Jackson, Elnora Webb, May Chen, Stacy Thompson, Trulie Thompson, Rona Young, Scott Albright, Brenda Lewis Franklin Agenda Item Discussion Meeting Called to Order 9:38 a.m. by Wise E. Allen I. No changes or additions mentioned. II. Review of Agenda Review Minutes Time for review of minutes of 12/4/09. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) MOTION: To approve the minutes of the December 4, 2009 DEC Meeting. VOTE: APPROVED. Agenda Item III. Discussion Discussion Items A. Action Items from Other PBI Committees Jackson sits on Tech Comm., and Budd sits on the Finance Comm., but we don’t have anyone who regularly attends the Facilities Comm. And, the minutes of the other PBI Committees have not been posted to the PBI website, as they should be. B. Structuring communication between/among PBIM committees It has been reported that the Tech Comm. is primarily concerned with the vacant IT positions, and that they be filled ASAP. C. Creating a systematic approach to decision-making within the Districtwide Education Committee (DEC) Comments were that even if you read the minutes of the other Committees, it is difficult to see what really happened at the meetings. A member of one committee who sits on another committee is not sitting as a reporter at the other committee, but as a committee member. We need a liaison person to serve as a reporter on each of the other PBI committees for the Ed Committee. We may also need a format for action items to flow, and where they flow next. Suggestion is that an Ed Comm. Facilitator call the Chair of the other Committees and find out what happened and what to report back to the Ed Committee. If the Co-Chairs so instruct her, she would make those contacts. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) We need a liaison person to serve as a reporter on each of the other PBI committees for the Ed Committee. We may also need a format for action items to flow, and where they flow next. Suggestion is that an Ed Comm. Facilitator call the Chair of the other Committees and find out what happened and what to report back to the Ed Committee. What we should focus on are the action items of each PBI Committee. The example is cited that we still don’t have Smart Classrooms, and we started the process to get them some six years ago. All our new and improved structure hasn’t helped get this to happen. What we should focus on are the action items of each PBI 2 Agenda Item Discussion Committee. It is reported that the Co-chair of the Facilities Comm. has already told members of that Committee that what goes on there should not be reported to the Ed Committee. The flow chart needs to be clarified. Each time we make a decision, we could designate in our Minutes who will be taking the item to the other Committees. Proposal that we take it a step further; that all communication be in writing – for ourselves and for accreditation; that we meet with the Co-chairs of the other Committees to develop a common plan and process between the Committees. Some faculty feel that the problem is that the real decisions are made in secret at the closed SMT meetings, no matter what happens in the Committees. Question is raised that what is the effectiveness of these Committees if, in fact, everything goes to the SMT and is dealt with or killed there; then we need to be realistic and talk about that. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) Proposal that we take it a step further; that all communication be in writing – for ourselves and for accreditation; that we meet with the Co-chairs of the other Committees to develop a common plan and process between the Committees. These Committees were set up for all to give input into the shared government process. Allen doesn’t accept this statement as truth. This has not been his experience. You have to have these bodies meeting, and they need to be part of the process. These Committees were set up for all to give input into the shared government process. Faculty countered that the SMT exists outside of the shared governance process; we don’t know what goes on there, or what info gets discussed there. There is no transparency, and no reporting out of what goes on there. Because it’s senior managers and it is closed, we only hear what went on, if you choose to tell us 3 Agenda Item Discussion something. The SMT should be transparent as well. You make decisions, not just recommendations. The Chancellor, working behind closed doors with SMT, takes SMT decisions to the Board. So, this Committee structure won’t really work while this private decision-making body continues as it has. Attempt is made to turn this discussion into an opportunity. The Committees can advise SMT that there needs to be a flow of info with it and the shared governance committee process. We don’t need additional distrust that could hamper cooperation. Things will change dramatically within the next year or two since major players at PCCD will be changing, so we to make sure the decision-making process is totally transparent and cooperative. We are all supposed to be about teaching and learning. When WASC comes here again, and folks say to them that, “yes, we have these four committees, but the real decisions are made at the SMT” – this won’t help our chances of accreditation. The Ed Committee is really a successor of the DWEMPC; the other areas’ committees weren’t meeting. This structure was to get shared governance committees and actions in all areas, not just Education. Allen: Action Items: 1. We develop a template format for action items for all PBI Committees to use, and distributed it to all Committees. [E.g., the PBI Council has a structure]; 2. We need a liaison person from the Ed Comm. to the Facilities Comm. who attends the meetings. The Facilities Comm. has been operating sort of like a maverick without real accountability and sharing of info. 3. We take to the Chancellor a recommendation that we have Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) MOVED and seconded, with two Friendly Amendments, that: 1. We develop a template format for action items for all PBI Committees to use, and distributed it to all Committees. The template for the action should include a clear flow path showing where the decisions go; 2. We need a liaison person from the Ed Comm. to the Facilities Comm. who attends the meetings. 3. We take to the Chancellor a recommendation that we have a system of reporting out any decisions made at the SMT meetings. And, decisions made at SMT should be reported out with the rationale for making the decision. VOTE: PASSED, with one member opposed. 4 Agenda Item Discussion a system of reporting out any decisions made at the SMT meetings. Johns: SO MOVED. Van Putten: SECONDED. VOTE: PASSED, WITH ONE OPPOSED. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) Friendly amendments: The template for the action should include a clear flow path on where the decisions go. Friendly amendments: The template for the action should include a clear flow path on where the decisions go. Decisions made at SMT should be reported out with the rationale for having made the decision. Decisions made at SMT should be reported out with the rationale for having made the decision. The Chancellor needs the advice and input of his Executive Staff. You can’t last at the top if you don’t rely on your top managers’ input and advice. So, the SMT is necessary, but there could be some feedback to the community especially when the decisions affect everyone. The question is whether anyone else’s input or any other Committee’s input has any impact on what goes on or what is decided at SMT. If we got report backs as to the discussions and decisions, this would really help. The input is always considered, but it doesn’t mean that the decision is always going to go the way the input recommended. If I’m going to make a decision, it must be mine, not that of someone else who persuaded me to make a decision. If I’m going to be fired, I want it to be on my own accord. We don’t know if a whole new set of priorities are developed at SMT from priorities that we all come up with through shared governance. When decisions are made in secret, and the 5 Agenda Item Discussion motivations are secret, and nothing is reported out, this is not shared governance. Getting back to our original topic, the Chancellor has his Executive Team making recommendations, and we need to know that he also has the recommendations of these districtwide shared governance Committees and considers them, when he make his decisions. We don’t know what info goes to the SMT, or what they discuss, or what decisions are made and or what they’re based on. We are very wary of trusting decisions being made by the Chancellor, based solely on SMT input. It would be good to get some notification of action items and decisions made at the SMT. Once we make our template, we need to meet with the other Committees to make sure we’re all on the same wavelength. All the Co-Chairs should meet regularly so we’re working together. We need to make the template, decide who will be the liaison, call a meeting of all Co-chairs, and say we need some procedures for how we will all operate. Concern expressed again about what’s happening with the colleges getting Smart Classrooms. The head of Facilities stopped the process for developing an RFP. Another area is that the Librarians need to have software for their system of cataloging. This has been vetted and supported, but is waiting for a consultant to design the RFP. The Tech Comm. has approved it, but the Facilities Comm. needs to provide the cost so a decision can be made. The Librarians need this info Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) Once we make our template, we need to meet with the other Committees to make sure we’re all on the same wavelength. All the Co-Chairs should meet regularly so we’re working together. We need to make the template, decide who will be the liaison, call a meeting of all Cochairs, and say we need some procedures for how we will all operate. The Librarians need to have software for their system of cataloging. Something needs to come to the PBI Council requesting approval for the Librarians’ cataloging software. 6 Agenda Item Discussion for it to go forward. The Librarians have attempted to get the info, but the process has been stalled in Dept. of GS and by its consultant. Something needs to come to the PBI Council requesting approval for the Librarians’ cataloging software. Reminds folks that several meetings ago, it was suggested that we decide on one or two projects and move them through the PBI Committee process to see how it works. The Librarians should come up with a ballpark figure and ask for approval to move the purchasing of their Library Software on to the next level. You need to have the whole system behind you to move it forward. Once you get it (library software) supported by Committee approvals, the money needs to be set aside from Measure A funds. Once it gets approved, VCES Allen will personally walk this through and make it happen. Question about where the Smart Classrooms item is at. There was a meeting at the D.O. with reps. from each college – faculty and tech folks – who heard presentations by vendors where they showed small, medium and large Smart Classrooms. We were told these would be installed districtwide at all colleges, and in all sizes. COA led the charge because they had requested equipment, with other colleges following right behind. This was then co-opted by DGS who stopped the process. They said they needed an infrastructure, etc. The crux of our issue with this model is that we have a planning Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) The Librarians should come up with a ballpark figure and ask for approval to move the purchasing of their Library Software on to the next level. You need to have the whole system behind you to move it forward. Once you get it (library software) supported by Committee approvals, the money needs to be set aside from Measure A funds. Once it gets approved, VCES Allen will personally walk this through and make it happen. The Ed Comm. needs to request from the Facilities or Finance Comm. an update on what funds are left from Measure A; what 7 Agenda Item Discussion and budget model, but we never see nor talk about the budget end of things. The Ed Comm. needs to request from the Facilities or Finance Comm. an update on what funds are left from Measure A; what funds have already been earmarked for what; and what remains that can be used for Smart Classrooms. We also need to know how we can get an item placed on the agenda for another committee’s meeting. There should be a planning meeting with co-chairs and facilitators to go over agenda items. Measure A funds were on a prior agenda, and it should just be rolled over to a subsequent agenda. Once a major committee makes a decision that something like this (Smart Classrooms) gets purchased, then it should happen; it should not be stalled or co-opted by another process or dept. VCES Allen confirms that the issue of a Measure A Rpt. will be on the PBI Council agenda, and VCES Allen will make calls to find out why things haven’t happened. MOTION: THAT THE PBI COUNCIL EVALUATE AND GIVE A STATUS REPORT ON THE ISSUE OF SMART CLASSROOMS AND BRING IT BACK. Ferro: SECONDED. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) funds have already been earmarked for what; and what remains that can be used for Smart Classrooms. There should be a planning meeting with co-chairs and facilitators to go over agenda items. Measure A funds were on a prior agenda, and it should just be rolled over to a subsequent agenda. MOTION: THAT THE PBI COUNCIL EVALUATE AND GIVE A STATUS VCES Allen REPORT ON THE confirms that the ISSUE OF SMART issue of a Measure A CLASSROOMS AND Rpt. will be on the BRING IT BACK TO PBI Council agenda, THE ED and VCES Allen COMMITTEE. will make calls to find out why things SECONDED. haven’t happened. VOTE: APPROVED. VOTE: APPROVED. 8 Agenda Item D. Program Review Discussion Mike Orkin gives a demo/presentation on the BI tool. He Goes to the PCCD website, District Service Centers, Institutional Research or PBI Council. Under Institutional Research, you can access Program Review documents, including handbooks, forms and other documents. Orkin gives credit to AVC Budd for having the vision and overview to make this all happen. There is demographic data, grade data, persistence, success data, etc., available on this site. There is Equity Fact Book Data from 2009; info on special populations; census data; there are charts and tables; it is grouped by college; etc. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) Everyone is reminded that Program Review needs to be happening on each campus, especially at Merritt. Then it needs to be institutionalized so it happens automatically each year and every three years, as necessary. Ed Services is working on a handbook to show how to use all the data we’ve put on the website and with the BI tool. Everyone is reminded that Program Review needs to be happening on each campus, especially at Merritt. Then it needs to be institutionalized so it happens automatically each year and every three years, as necessary. Please send any questions or comments or requests directly to M.Orkin at the Ed Services Office. Allen thanks AVC Budd for building a new team and doing tons of work to provide all this data for the colleges. It never existed before. The BI Tool has all kinds of modules to be used. E. SLO’s Per VCES Allen, the District funded SLO’s well last year, and again this year at all four colleges. Per VCES Allen, the District funded SLO’s well last year, 9 Agenda Item Discussion Suggestion is to also put it in for next year. F. Prioritization of classified positions G. Establish districtwide criteria for ranking faculty and classified position requests. We have gone over the prioritization of faculty positions, and a format for criteria with principles, etc., but need to update the language for the prioritization of classified positions, with a similar format for criteria adopted by this Ed Comm. BCC doesn’t like the classified positions being lumped in with the equipment and other needs. Suggestion is to have a similar criteria document for classified staff, or for all H.R. positions/needs, but separate from the tech needs and equipment needs. The big difference is that we have different obligations for faculty than classified, especially now when we’re limited in the use of part-time classified staff. We would need a different type of criteria for classified hiring. Volunteers are asked to develop a draft criteria statement for classified positions. Sub-committee: Reed and Lemma. The suggestion is that this sub-committee work on developing a draft and then bring it back to the Committee and the colleges. H. VPI’s forwarding priorities from Unit Plan and Program Review summaries to Districtwide Ed Committee Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) and again this year at all four colleges. Suggestion is to have a similar criteria document for classified staff, or for all H.R. positions/needs, but separate from the tech needs and equipment needs. The sub-committee that will meet to develop a draft criteria for classified positions is Reed and Lemma. Volunteers are asked to develop a draft criteria statement for classified positions. Sub-Committee: Reed and Lemma. The suggestion is that this subcommittee work on developing a draft and then bring it back to the Committee and the colleges. This is to help develop a process that is evident to everyone. We want folks to know how their needs get approved and then things happen, with adequate funding. 10 Agenda Item Discussion (DEC) 1. Technology Requests 2. Instructional Equipment Money/Requests 3. Other Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) Everyone needs to be aware that the colleges need to send their priorities to the other committees, i.e., for tech needs, and instructional equipment needs. BCC has adopted priorities for the 09-10 budget. Evidently, in March, the colleges are to get their priorities lists on the agendas of the other committees. Some colleges have developed priorities on classified; they just haven’t brought them here. BCC and Laney had their classified positions prioritized at the last meeting; they need to be presented to this (Ed) Committee and followed up on. Some present felt it was difficult to analyze the various college priorities, since they were brought in different formats. A similar format would help us weight them out on the same basis. Laney’s classified priorities list will go to their College Council in March; then wherever else it needs to go. We just need to keep things moving and keep on our timeline. The Faculty Priorities list changed from Nov. to Dec. The others were to come to the Ed Comm. in Feb., and now that’s March. Question was asked whether the Ed Comm. would also like to hear the colleges’ priorities for technology and facilities, besides their recommendations going to the respective Tech and Facilities Committees. Yes, the info should be brought back to the Ed Committee, but just when will be decided when the chairs of all committees meet to come up with a process and template. We need to make clear that the other priorities are brought back to 11 Agenda Item Discussion Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) the Ed Comm. I. A presentation that entails an overall structure for Peralta Distance Education which includes how each college will interface with the District Office of Education Services including a budget both district and college allocations. This item was an email that flowed from the Tech Comm. when they had to deal with the structure and budget for Distance Ed. This keeps changing, so we need more clarity. Each year, there seems to be a change on how Distance Ed is dealt with. It needs to have a line item budget each year, so we don’t have to scramble for funds to do what we need to do. Part of the confusion is that Global Ed has its own agenda, and we have not been able to get clarity on how we address the serious gap in Student Services with Global Ed. This has serious implications for accreditation. It is clear that we are seriously lacking in support services; we should have online links for services for students in all areas, counseling, tutoring, etc. You can Google other top colleges and see where we need to go. This has come up at many meetings of student services folks. We know what we need, but don’t have the capacity to concretize the budget for what we need. We do have a plan for responding to future student needs. We have institutionalized some online services: A&R, etc. Distance Ed started at COA, then the expansion of it went to BCC, then at the D.O., and it has grown to what we now have of about 6,000 online students. At BCC, we got approval for online classes. We do need a structure, and a line item budget for D.E. It has grown to where we need this in place. VCES Allen suggests ABlack and maybe a small committee VCES Allen suggests ABlack and a small committee develop a draft structure and proposed budget for Distance Ed for next year; we can take that and work with JNg to get this in place for 2010-11. As we restructure and build a new budget/finances structure, we can build this into that. 12 Agenda Item Discussion develop a draft structure and proposed budget for next year; we can take that and work with JNg to get this in place for next year. As we restructure a new budget/finances structure, we can build this into that. We need to do this before ACCJC gets here in March. The Feb/March timelines are in your binders. Confirmation from each college is given that they will be ready to bring their other priorities (classified, tech, and facilities) to the Ed Comm. and the Tech and Facilities Committees in March. Suggestion is made for folks check out the e-Peralta.org website in terms of support services and the user-friendliness of it for students. There are links there to ETUDES and MOODLE, but need to be other links there as well. Black will work on a draft from other colleges. Counselors are concerned about being left out of the Distance Ed support services conversation and process. We wants to make sure that counselors, matric.folks, etc., are included in this process. VCES Allen asks for a small sub-committee of folks – Gravenberg, Jackson, Black, and Jacob Ng and 1-2 College D.E. Coords. – to work together and come back with some recommendations. We needs to have some concrete vision of what needs to be done so this can be built into the restructuring process at PCCD. Look at Santa Monica as an example for this. We need to see how we can fund this in a tight budget situation. We also need a rep. or two from the D.E. Coordinators to be on this sub-committee. Allen: The purpose of this sub-committee is: we have concerns Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) We need to do this before ACCJC gets here in March. Confirmation from each college is given that they will be ready to bring their other priorities (classified, tech, and facilities) to the Ed, Tech and Facilities Comms. in March. VCES Allen: Asks for a small subcomm. to work together and come back with recommendations. – Gravenberg, Black, Jackson, Ng and 1-2 College Distance Ed Coords. = the subcomm. A sub-committee was formed that will meet to develop a draft structure and proposed budget for Distance Ed for next year that we can get in place as we restructure Peralta’s budget & finances structure, and build this into that. The subcommittee will be: Gravenberg, Black, Jackson, Ng and 1-2 College D.E. Coords. with Gravenberg taking the lead to pull the subcomm. together. VCES Allen reiterates that there should be no link between Distance Ed and Int’l. Ed funding, and any reference to it 13 Agenda Item Discussion about student support services to the Distance Ed program. We need to create a structure districtwide for student support services to be in place. We need to have a definite budget in place for this. The recommendation is that we don’t use Int’l. Ed. Funds to do this. VCES Allen reiterates that there should be no link between Distance Ed and Int’l. Ed funding, and any reference to it should be deleted. Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) should be deleted. VCES Allen: Asks Gravenberg to take the lead on getting this sub-committee to meet. VCES Allen: asks Gravenberg to take the lead on getting this sub-committee to meet. A contact at the State Chancellor’s Office is needed to get the top 10 list of colleges re Distance Ed. Suggestion is to start with LeBaron. J. Priorities/goals/responses for next year as budget cuts continue 1. Avocational, recreational, and personal development courses (w/balance of these courses next year, 2010-2011) 2. Fee-based courses and Contract Ed next year, 2010-2011 3. Managing student services/categorical program funding reductions Suggests including SLO’s in our priorities for consideration for next year. The real question is how we continue to serve our communities in an era of shrinking budgets/funding. This originally came from a conversation with DAS Pres. van Putten. In terms of fee-based classes; you can’t make a profit. It’s just to cover the cost of the class. Contract Ed is addressed in the PFT Contract, in that the faculty need to be paid at the same scale. The vocational area is a good place to focus on Contract Ed classes. We have Contract Ed and Fee-based classes already in Peralta. We need someone who knows how to develop these, and does it well. We may be able to get into the community and get private industry to pay for some of these classes. There are places where 14 Agenda Item Discussion Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) fee-based classes could supplant our regular classes – i.e., where the classes are more recreational. The question some have about fee-based classes is the process and who collects the fees. COA has been running these fee-based classes for years; the VPI and the Bursars’ Office collects the funds; they agree on the payment and collect it; they pay the faculty; any extra funds goes back to the dept., e.g., auto body, auto mechanics. Suggestion is that BCC, who wants to start some fee-based classes, talk to folks at COA about this. There are some areas that have a clear need; there are other areas where you need a more structured environment. You need some faculty to assist with this. The actual beating of the bushes and how to address it, needs a structure. If we could divvy up the profits to -- e.g., the D.O., the College, the Dept., the faculty – then we could capture more need and bring in more money. VCES Allen agrees with this, and that a lot more can be done. We could do these classes better, and cheaper, but we need to have a person who’s good at this to center it. The folks we had before who were good at this are now gone. PCCD had much more of a commitment to vocational programs at that time. Ed Services even had a Dean level person on staff in charge of Contract Ed and fee-based courses. Some classes work as fee-based, and some won’t, e.g., biology. At another college, the hospitals did fund some Contract Ed classes to get more nurses. 15 Agenda Item Discussion Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) At COA, we have students who have been attending year after year in e.g., Music, and want to continue, have now gone into taking fee-based classes so they can keep taking them. This can be duplicated at other classes. We should take things like this that we know will work, and spread it out throughout the District. There are areas that have folks that are willing to pay, do pay, and will continue to pay for fee-based classes. Those present are reminded that we may need to transition back into regular FTES-based classes in the future, when the State once again begins to fund community college education adequately in the future. These are good ideas in a time of budget crisis, but we don’t want to move away from our traditional mission or to work to privatize public education by going to more and more Contract Ed or feebased courses. Everyone agrees philosophically, but we’re now trying to survive, as we’re a little duck in the ocean. The big ship passing by is pushing all this water over us, and we’re just trying to stay afloat and survive. When Allen attended UCB, the tuition was $50, and at SFSU it was $25. If we anchor our temporary endeavors in our mission, this will guide others at Peralta in the future. III. Future Agenda Items Lowood wants to make a statement to go to the Finance Committee that funding SLOs is an ongoing priority. If there are additional resources for the District to supplement what the Colleges spend, we need this. BCC has no other resources to augment the college’s SLO’s budget of $22,000, which may not be able to cover this. If there are additional resources at the District to supplement what the Colleges spend, we need this. BCC has no 16 Agenda Item Discussion Follow-up Action DECISIONS (Shared Agreement /Resolved or Unresolved?) other resources to augment the SLO’s budget. The District budgeted for this, as it is a priority. These are decisions that need to be made at the college level; this is a priority for the District, but the College may need to look at alternative ways to supplement this. You have to have some discretionary funds; you can’t earmark all funds, or you won’t be able to function. You can reassign faculty, give release time, fill behind w/1351 funds, etc. The District put out $130,000 to show this is a priority; the colleges need to do their part. For the next four years, the budget reductions are in place, and the State is cutting even more. We will have to live with this for the next four years. We’ll have to do more with less, and that’s just our reality. IV. Adjournment Next meeting: Other upcoming meetings: Meeting adjourned at 12:05 p.m. by Wise E. Allen. March 19, 2010, 9:30am - 12:30pm; District Office Board Room; April 16, 2010 Minutes taken by Pat Jameson 17