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>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Arnoud entered the chat.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Yes. Okay. I will read your questions or
comments. So that they can be captured by Cindy.
You need Skype up.
David has updated the web site. Skype out actually. I'm
just doing too many -- Skype out.
(Background talking.)
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Hi, who is that?
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Hello, it's Fernando, how are you Andrea.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I'm very, very good. How are you.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Good; good. Waking up still.
>>ANDREA SAKS: What time is it there.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: It's not that bad. But it's 7 in the
morning.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Oh . . .
(Chuckles.)
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's right, you're on East Coast time.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Uh-huh.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Well, we have Arnoud on the line. And he will be
working in the chat box.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Great.
>>ANDREA SAKS: So I will be the interpreter for that. And
Alexandra, as well. Depending on how it works. If we say Arnoud
saying stuff.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Uh-huh.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Then we will read what Arnoud's questions or
comments are. And then he can see them reflected in the captioning.
So there we are.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Great.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Have you got the captioning URL? We're still
waiting for people. Because it's such an unusual time, I'm not sure
who is still here.
(Background talking.)
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Hello, who is there?
(Beep).
>>DAVID WOOD: Hello, David Wood just joined the call.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Hi, David, how are you.
>>DAVID WOOD: Fine, thank you.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Can you give me your phone number.
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Because I need to speak to you offline, please.
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Let me just get my note page on the right page for
DCAD.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Hello, everybody can you please announce
yourself.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Yes, Axel Leblois speaking.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Hello, Axel.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Hello, Axel, Gerry Ellis here. Hi, Andrea, hi,
Alexandra.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Hi, Axel and Gerry, Fernando here.
>> Hello.
>>ANDREA SAKS: So we have David and Axel.
(Background talking.)
(Chuckles.)
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. David would you shoot me your number it's
+ 41 22.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, it's 42 22 717 2731.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. The last bit is all I need to know. 7172731
is that right.
>>DAVID WOOD: That's right, yes.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. David, because I have to have a chat with
you later.
>>DAVID WOOD:
I have another teleconference at 4:00 o'clock
this afternoon so if it's possible, before 4 or after 5, that would
be great.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. It will be in those times.
Okay. So I'm wondering if we should wait or just go ahead
because Nirmita has not entered and I expected her and I think Shadi
is going to be on, as well. Should we ->>SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Yeah, I'm here.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Shadi you're here.
>>SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Yes, I sneaked in. Hi, how are you.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Good. I'm going to do a roll call in a
minute. We'll read the names of everybody in about two minutes.
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Ah, who is that. Somebody else came on. Can we
have an identification, please.
>> This is (inaudible) from UNESCO.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Hi, how are you.
>> Hello.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I'm fine. This is Andrea Saks.
>> Hello, Andrea, how are you.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I'm really good. It's nice that you're here.
>> Yes, thank you.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Hello, it's Alexandra here.
>> Hello, Alexandra, how are you?
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Well we're going to give maybe just two more
minutes and then we'll start because it's taking people a little while
to get on. Do you have a copy -- does everyone have a copy of the
agenda?
>>GERARD ELLIS: Andrea, Gerry Ellis here. Andrea, I'm calling
in from my house phone so it's quite expensive. So I'm going to put
down the phone here and I'll ring back at 12:30 your time and then
stay on for about ten minutes and then go again. It costs me too
much. My PC is broken at home. I understand Axel's computer went
missing, as well.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Yeah.
>>GERARD ELLIS: That's a problem.
>>ANDREA SAKS: We will schedule your conversation about the survey
during -- we will move to that particular part of the agenda. When
you come on at 12:30.
>>GERARD ELLIS: At 12:30 your time.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Off you go, kid. Thank you very much.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Okay. See you in a while.
>>ANDREA SAKS: All right.
Okay. I think we're going to start. The agenda, first of
all, I'll welcome everybody. I'm very happy to have you all on the
call Alexandra can you just read everybody who is on in case someone
snuck on who hasn't said who they are.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: There's Fernando, David Wood, Arnoud,
Axel, Gerry who will come back, Shadi and (inaudible). You and me.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Do we have an approval of the agenda? Or
does anybody want to add anything. Okay, apologies, Cynthia Waddell
was not able to get on the phone because of the fact that she's in
California and it's 3 a.m. in the morning. So that's okay. We're
going to send her the captioning. Secondly there is Judy from
Nigeria. I'm sorry; I'll come back with that later. But she gave
us an apology, as well. Because she has been following what's been
going on.
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Someone else has just arrived, who is that? Can
we find out who this new caller is, please.
>>JORGE PLANO: Hello, this is Jorge Plano.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Hi, Jorge. Can you put your microphone on mute
when not speaking? That would be helpful. Because you have a very
strong microphone. It's picking up your breathing. I hope you
don't mind me saying that.
>>JORGE PLANO: Okay.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Jorge, we have just started. We have
okayed an approval for the agenda. We've given the apologies of
people who are not here. And we're moving on to the approval of the
report for the last meeting.
What we sent everyone was the captioning record because we
felt that was the easiest way to deal with it. That way everybody
can see exactly what was said. So do I have a report for the approval
of the -- do we have an approval of the last meeting which was the
2nd of June? We don't have Peter Major here. He actually went -(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: We have a briefing here of the open meeting with
the consultation of -- at IGF on the 28th and 29th. We actually don't
have Peter Major here to give a report, nor do we have -(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Mr. -- somebody else has just come on the line.
Who is that?
>>NIRMITA NARASIMHAN: Hi, this is Nirmita.
>> Hi, Nirmita, we are on Item 4 talking about the IGF open meeting.
We have just gone through the preliminaries.
>>NIRMITA NARASIMHAN: Okay.
>>ANDREA SAKS: We're about to talk about the IGF open meeting and
the consultation. Hopefully we were going to get a report from Peter
Major. But he has not come on the call and hasn't come here. So
I don't know if I can give everything. But I can give a rough overview
of what happened.
>>NIRMITA NARASIMHAN: Okay.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay? So if he wants to give another addition to
what I'm saying when he comes, if he's able to come, then we'll go
from there. The most significant thing was that IGF changed the EBU
workshop name from "The Magical World of Apps." I may not be saying
that right to another title but David, I understand you're on the
line, you're changing the title again.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, that's right. My colleagues told me that the
original title didn't actually specifically focus on the fact that
this is going to be applications for People with Disabilities. And
so they kind of put a holding title in there until we could find a
good one and now we have one and that should appear in the next hour
or so on the IGF web site.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Would you like for everybody so they would know
give us the new title, please. Because on the agenda I have it as
"Application on the Internet Enabled Devices for People with
Disabilities" as per the meeting on the 28th and 29th so the new title
is different from that.
>>DAVID WOOD: That's right and it was circulated to Alexandra
yesterday.
>>ANDREA SAKS: For the benefit of the captioning if you can read
it to me.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, I'll just call it up if you give me a second.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I will give you more than a second.
>>DAVID WOOD: I won't keep you a second.
>>ANDREA SAKS: We'll come back to that. Yell when you get it in.
Because you'll be talking about that in Item No. 6. We now have a
two-hour slot for our workshop and for the Dynamic Coalition instead
of 90 minutes. This means that we have a total of five or six persons
that can contribute to the workshop. So we have a little more time.
The next thing that was discussed at the meeting was there
was a registration deadline for August 30th for participants. So
what we need to do is make sure you do that and you register that
was another reminder. Also other deadlines: The 31st of July we
have to register who is going to be our person who will be doing the
remote. Or people who would like to do the remote controlling.
Which is kind of what I'm doing. I won't be able to do it because
of the fact -- I'm not sure. I might do it. But Arnoud is typing
to me at this moment in the chat box. Because he does not have Skype
OUT so he's using totally captioning to understand what's going on
in the meeting. And he will be saying whatever he wishes to say.
And I will be reading it aloud.
So we need somebody to monitor and deal with that. So we'll probably
register myself and Alexandra. But would there be anybody else who
would be willing to assist with that? Well I guess it might be me.
We might find somebody else in the meantime. So I believe it will
be me or Alexandra who will probably be doing that. The 31st of July
is the deadline for workshop organizers to provide speakers, bios
and photos. Now I know you've sent them to us before. But things
have happened within a year. You may want to update it. Keep it
as short as possible. Can you redo this for us? We would like to
have -- you don't have to have a new picture but rather than have
to scroll through all of the e-mails and go back through dead files
we would like fresh input so everybody who has sent in an abstract
please send in your biography and your photo within the week, please
and that's pretty much all we have to worry about the actual thing
of the meeting.
Are there any questions to the report that I have given? I
was not able to go but I did get information from other people and
Mr. Mazoni (phonetic) did tell me one thing which is not on the agenda
that I will add. Though we are not in the main session the schedule
of the workshop was changed so it did not conflict. EBU conflicted
with the main session on Access and Diversity.
We didn't circulate who was going to be on the main session.
It will be on the web on IGF. But we would be allowed according to
communicate from the floor and we might want to set up something where
we would be able to do something in an organized fashion. We will
be doing that in the meantime. Boy I'm looking at the captioning.
I've done a lot of talking here. Are there any questions or anything
that I've said that needs to be clarified?
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Andrea, Axel speaking, just for the sake of
making sure we are all in sync, could you possibly recap all of the
events that will occur during the IGF meeting? As per the current
schedule.
>>ANDREA SAKS: The schedule. I can't because I wasn't there. We
were expecting something from Peter to be here. I can go back to
the e-mail -- we have the schedule -- oh, it's on the agenda. Our
schedule. Oh, you want to know when we are, is that correct, Axel.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Yeah, (inaudible).
(Static.)
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: During the IGF workshop or other workshops, I
would really be interested to know the dates and times.
>>ANDREA SAKS: No that's not what he's talking about. He wants
the full IGF schedule.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Axel, I sent out a calendar for IGF. I can
resend it to you.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: No, I have the list. But did you update it.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: It was updated the 9th of July. That was
the last information I got from IGF. Maybe it was updated in the
meantime. But the last that I received was on the 9th of July.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Okay. So we have the ->>ANDREA SAKS: Let me give you, Axel, a couple of some dates that
are pertinent for us. The 16th of September 9:00 o'clock to 11:00
o'clock in the morning Room 4 is "From Athens to Vilnius - Beyond
the UN" -- that one. On the 15th of September at 11:30 through 13
30 is the new title which I think David, if you could give me now
of the EBU workshop. What is the new title now?
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, sorry. I just had it. But it's -- let me
get it for you. I've got it. It's called: Can mobile applications
create a new Golden Age of accessibility?
But you should have that. Because Alexandra distributed it
and of course the information about the content of the session to
everybody yesterday.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Yes, we will go through that when we get to Item
6 because I'm going to let you run with what you have decided to do
and what's going on. Because that's in your control.
The next date to continue to give Axel what he hopefully has
asked for is Thursday, the 16th of September from 1415 to 1615 in
Room 5 is the DCAD meeting. The only thing we didn't put down which
I think we need to put down is the time and the date for the main
session for Access and Diversity. Could you get that in a few
minutes? And as soon as Alexandra has got that, I will give it to
you. Those are the main sessions that we would be involved in. So
I don't have that on the agenda, Axel, but that will be forthcoming
in just a couple of minutes.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Those are the four blocks we need to keep in mind
during the IGF meeting for accessibility.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's correct.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Okay, great. Thank you so much.
>>ANDREA SAKS: But we will go through the agenda and see. On the
web page of the different workshops, if you register with IGF, you
can go it and look at Access and Diversity and there are a couple
others which have nothing to do with us that are there. We will also
get those times and send an e-mail for that. Is that okay, Alexandra?
Because there were two other ones that have nothing to do with us
that are on accessibility. At least one. So we'll do that as well.
So we'll send that out, as well. So we can coordinate that.
I'm trying to think if there's anything else that I have left
out. Oh, somebody has just popped -- hello, can I help you?
Okay. It's okay. Alexandra is going to take care of that.
Okay. Right. So what we'll do is we'll send out an e-mail
with all of the times and dates that are important for accessibility.
That's a very good point. Thank you, Axel, we'll do that. Are there
any other questions regarding what was happening at the IGF meeting?
Okay. I'll also get the list of people who were appointed
to appear in the main session for Access and Diversity, too, just
for the record and who they are. I was hoping that Peter would have
all of that. But that's okay. I think we've covered everything.
We are now on Item 5.
The discussion around the DCAD workshop "From Athens to
Vilnius." I'm going to just go through a couple of points and then
I'm going to talk about the actual abstracts and presentations.
I'm going to change the order of C and D, if that's okay. And
put that one at the end so I can do the easy ones first. ITU has
technically taken their name off our workshop. Last year you will
remember that we were not allowed supposedly to organize a workshop
and it had to be under the auspices of the ITU.
It isn't anymore technically. But it doesn't affect the
funding of the Secretariat, my work, the web site and the fact that
we can apply for funds. So that part doesn't change. However, it
means that DCAD is responsible for the workshop. So that means I
guess me and all of you. So that is -- that's the change and I spoke
with Markus in another meeting in England about that and he said they
decided since the Dynamic Coalition was doing them anyways, it was
-- they would recognize them so it's basically the Dynamic Coalition
organizing this, this particular workshop.
I've already mentioned we have two hours. And the next
question I want to ask all of you because I need your permission to
ask him, do we have Jonathan Charles to moderate again? Are there
any views on that? Because he's on holiday at the moment. But I
understand from David that he is going to be coming to IGF. Is that
correct, David?
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes; yes, he is. But -- and he might be a candidate
if you so wished for your DCAD session. But as I mention in my e-mail,
for the other one on applications, I think he actually has two events
at the same time. So it might not be possible for him to do that
one. But as far as I know if you wanted to, he probably would be
able to help with your session. But as you said, he's on holiday
at the moment. But he's definitely coming. So that's something
anyway.
>>ANDREA SAKS: My question at the moment since we're only dealing
with Item 5 at the moment, David, thank you for that information,
you've given me a bit more than I had. Would we be interested in
asking him to moderate?
>> Yes.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That was Nirmita. Usually yes is silent. So if
we don't have an objection --
(Chuckles.)
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's okay, Nirmita. You can do what you like.
I don't mind.
>> Andrea.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Andrea, this is Fernando. I think he has
-- I think he has a powerful presence and obviously a well-known name.
So it would be wonderful to have him. I just wanted to request that
this time around we have a more strict policy on the time. Because
last time the last speakers -- the last three or four speakers did
not have anywhere near the time that they were initially allocated.
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. I think that's a very valid point. But I
also think it's because we had too many speakers. This year we're
going to be really ruthless. And I will go into that later.
And yes, I think -- I don't think it's a problem of Mr. Charles
inasmuch as we have too many people and I think what we'll have to
do is limit people's conversations and be ruthless in cutting them
off. Would that make everybody feel uncomfortable or would that be
okay?
>>NIRMITA NARASIMHAN: That's fine.
>>ARUN MEHTA: Hi, this is Arun, I just joined.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Hi Arun. Okay. Arun, I'm sorry, somebody just
came in and distracted my brain. The fifth -- we have moved on the
agenda down to No. 5.
(Beep).
>>ANDREA SAKS: We are talking about the workshop "From Athens to
Vilnius". I won't recap totally on everything but you have a copy
of the agenda and most of the information is there. If you have a
question about something, please go ahead and ask.
Okay. We were going to talk about Jonathan Charles. And
I've taken Fernando's point that we have to control the time better.
And would we also still be interested in having Jonathan Charles be
the moderator and giving me permission to ask him.
And I have a question for the captioner from Arnoud. What
is the captioning -- it's saying Information Technology all of the
time. It seems wrongly captioned. The captioner please fix when
you say it does not say Information Technology. Arnoud, I think
people are -- she's writing exactly what is said. So she's not making
this up.
And the captioner, Arnoud says must not mix up Arnoud and Arun,
though he is a great guy.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. That would be my fault if she mixes it up,
Arnoud. Because I'm the one saying your name.
So Arun is Arun and Arnoud is Arnoud. Okey doke? We've got
that. Thank you, Arnoud. Back to the vote on Jonathan Charles. I
do it one more time to make sure I have it correctly. Do we want
me to ask Jonathan Charles to moderate the Athens to Vilnius workshop?
Okay. I'll take that as a yes.
Now we have to talk about we have too many speakers at the
moment. I'm going to actually hold on that for one minute. The
because there may be space in EBU. Is that possible, David, later
we have three people going over to yours, which is Arun, Shadi and
Arnoud who will be in your workshop, is that correct?
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, that's right. But we will probably have
another three speakers from industry, if you will. So if I might
I think we're pretty full in the other workshop at the moment.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I meant if you didn't get all of those people, you
might have a space.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, that's right.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. So we have that one possibility later.
Okay. We're going to let you talk about that in a minute. We have
a total of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight possible
speakers.
Some of you overlap. We're going to have to sit down and talk
about somebody who is not going to be able to be a presenter. But
might be able to participate in another way.
So I'm not sure how I'm going to organize this or not. Because
you all want to be there unless somebody wants to sacrifice themself.
So I'm going to make a proposal that Alexandra and I and some
of the people here at IGF have a look at them. And then come back
with the six that are going to and the two as runner up. The thing
is it doesn't affect the funding at the moment if you are funding
and don't have a workshop, don't worry. We'll find one for you
because of the fact that we are resource persons, as well. Would
that be all right to everyone to trust me to do that? Or would you
think of another way of dealing with the fact that we have so many
people. Because otherwise we cram everybody in. And we have the
problem that Fernando describes.
>>DAVID WOOD: Hi, it's David Wood here. It's just a thought and
I haven't seen the program. I probably should have done. But would
it make any sense to give some kind of preference to people who didn't
speak last time or something like that.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Yes, that is exactly what is on the list. Because
IGF said they wanted different speakers. That is correct. That is
one of the criteria that I have to deal with. That is correct.
Anybody else have a comment about my proposal of going through
all of that. So the fact that we are funding people who were here
last time and -- for instance, I can tell you who did not present.
Jorge Plano. Gerry Ellis. No, Gerry did not. Gerry gave a
demonstration last time. I don't believe Gerry ->> He did present, Andrea.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Oh, did he? I thought he didn't. Okay. I might
be blind. Okay. Gerry did. We have Cynthia Waddell who did not
present last time.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: She did.
>>ANDREA SAKS: No she did not. She has presented before but not
last time.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Yes, Andrea.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Cynthia Waddell was not ->>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Yes, she was in the main session she was
in access.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's right. Okay. Cynthia. Okay. There was
Axel Leblois who definitely wasn't there. So we have Axel and Clara
Luz Alvarez has come in from Mexico. She wasn't there. The last
time she presented was in Rio. So technically we have one, two, three
people who did not present last time.
Are you familiar with what each person has chosen to present
on? Shall I read them out? Is that agreeable? I'll do Jorge's
first. Jorge Plano has given us an abstract on "Web Accessibility
and the Older Persons". Abstract: The aging process implies with
big individual differences, changes that affect the possibilities
of access of older persons to the Internet services, specifically
through the web. This presentation will show how the lack of web
accessibility impacts more and more in the life of older persons.
At present, the Government of some countries are discussing and
preparing a proposal to the United Nations COP convention on the
Rights of Older Persons and this must include the rights related to
digit digital technologies. That really wasn't handled last time,
either. So I think there are two points there for Jorge.
Jorge, do you want to add to that?
I'm sorry; Jorge, are you there?
>>JORGE PLANO: Hello; hello, can you hear me.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I can. Yes, do you want to add any more to your
abstract.
>>JORGE PLANO: I had a problem with the connection.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Sorry, that's okay. So you were not there. You
have a presentation that did not -- that wasn't handled last time.
Then we have Axel Leblois. Who is "Benchmarking ICT
Accessibility/Closing the Gap". Axel, do you want to read your own?
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: I could. But if you have the text handy go
ahead.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I have it handy.
The signing of the CRPD by 145 countries and its ratification
by 85 have raised considerable hopes among Persons with
Disabilities among which the adoption of ICT accessibility policies
and program frameworks by Government and Civil Society. What gap
exist towards realizing this objective is an important data point
for organizations of Persons with Disabilities, industry, service
providers and governments in this presentation Axel Leblois will
discuss the early find, of the research conducted by the G3ict among
ratifying countries which covers for each country the status of
disability rights, the implementation of ICT accessibility policies
and program and practical ICT accessibility results for Persons with
Disabilities. Once completed all data collected will be made public
and promoted as the "Digital Accessibility and Inclusion Index for
Persons with Disabilities" to serve as a benchmarking tool for all
stakeholders involved around the world.
Axel was contacted and asked to possibly include his survey
since we were unable to complete our own survey. So I would think
that Axel definitely would be included. Because the group has
already contacted him. And this was a possibility that was given
throughout the e-mail reflecters.
The next person who did not present was Clara Luz Alvarez.
Now Clara has not been attending the meetings but has been following
the actual e-mail reflecter and has been reading the different
captionings. And basically she is for those of you who don't know
who she is, she is the Rapporteur for Question 20 for developing
countries. In Study Group 1 of the ITU-D. She also wrote single
handedly the resolution that went before the World
Telecommunications Development Conference that was just held in May
in Hyderabad.
She basically has not had an opportunity to present this to
a wider spectrum. And there is something very important about that
that she is part of Mexico which is hosting the plot for the ITU
(inaudible) so Internet without accessibility will deepen the
digital divide affecting Persons with Disabilities. The World
Telecommunications Developement Conference, 2010, approved the
resolution for access to information and communication technology
by Persons with Disabilities. This resolution considers the main
aspects of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons
with Disabilities relating to the measures that must be taken by state
parties to comply with ensuring ICT Internet services access
promoting design, production of accessible ICT interalias
disabilities are cross cutting therefore access to the Internet by
Persons with Disabilities must be discussed in IGF and should
contribute to the mainstream of importance of timely considering
inaccessibility and the Internet.
Now, those are the three presentations from persons who were
not able to come last year. I want to just ask all of you and this
is a tough question and I'm not going to do them individually. But
if there are comments about these particular presentations, would
it be agreeable to agree on those three on the basis of what the IGF
instructed us to do in the first meeting that I went to back in June
9th, which was about three or four months ago that we should have
new people present.
>>DAVID WOOD: Hi, it's David Wood here. For me the first
appearance those three seem bang on target. And of course you might
want to consider let's say Axel could even prepare some kind of draft
statement or document that you could take out from the meeting and
pass to the plenary.
>>ANDREA SAKS: David, rather than get into that subject, can we
not suggest what somebody is going to do because that's another topic.
We just are sticking to one thing.
We all will do the statements that will come under the agenda
of the DCAD meeting on Item No. 7.
So can you hold that thought for that particular section? Is
that okay.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, of course. But I certainly thought from
where I sit those three presentations sounded very worthy and
interesting.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Anybody else have any comments?
>>GERARD ELLIS: Andrea, Gerry Ellis back on the call. Just
agreeing. I came back just in time to hear them.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's great. Anybody else want to make a comment.
So I'm going to put it to a vote one more time.
Are those three presentations accepted to be placed in the
-- are those three accepted to be placed in the "From Athens to
Vilnius" workshop. Okay then we have three. That leaves Fernando,
Nirmita, Cynthia, Gerard, Peter Major left. Now there's three of
you. Again does anybody want to possibly volunteer to not present?
But on the other hand be a backup. Okay. I didn't expect that.
Gerry what you might not be aware of, we have four -- we have
eight. Is that right all together. What I was going to do and what
I have said earlier was that we have too many or we may want to slash
or we take everybody and we might be able to put one over to the -over to EBU should EBU possibly be able.
Now, remember, David, you actually have two hours. You can
handle six.
>>DAVID WOOD: Well, yes, that's right. But that's what we've
got at the moment is six.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Yes. Okay.
>>DAVID WOOD: Could I just make -- you can tell me to shut up
and you probably will.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Oh, no, you're fine. Go ahead.
>>DAVID WOOD: I mean, an alternative that we might do for an EBU
conference is to have those three people give presentations. And
it's really quite difficult to get a serious message across actually
in less than 15 minutes. And then have the other people that you
mentioned as part of a panel so I mean that might be a way to do it.
You have the three presentations and then the other people as part
of a panel. But of course you may have other and better ideas than
that.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I think that's a smashing idea. We might do that.
And we might have one more presentation. And then have everybody
join the panel. Would that be an idea that you all would consider?
That way everybody gets to go. And you can give us a five-minute
introductory on who you are and what your interest was. We can look
at -- it's almost like a survey. And work out a list of questions
that we would throw at you that we could prepare in advance just to
embellish your idea, David. What do people think about that.
>> Good.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Andrea, this is Fernando. That's an
excellent idea.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. We've got a yes from Fernando. Because if
you look at people, a lot of you have similar ideas to the three
presentations that have been chosen. And this is where if we can
get Jonathan Charles to moderate, we could really do something
spectacular I think. What do you guys think? All right. Let me
go through and send out an e-mail. All right. Let's see, we would
have Fernando, Nirmita, let's see, Gerry and Cynthia. And Peter all
on a panel and the other people on the panel, as well. We could have
your bios. To make it really possible to work do you think it would
be a good idea to have your bios and your particular interests or
the highlight of your abstract to be readout by Jonathan Charles or
the moderator so that the audience understood what your specific area
was about?
>>DAVID WOOD: May I come in here just briefly. Excuse me again.
>>ANDREA SAKS: No, it's fine. Just say what you want.
>>DAVID WOOD: So what we might do rather than that which would
take up a lot of time would be to have a piece of paper on which there's
a little photograph and a little bio of all of the panelists and to
have that as it were distributed to the assembled masses, so to speak
so that might be a way to do that which would save a bit of time but
there might be another way to do this.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I think that's a good idea, David. You're right
spot on I think. What does everybody else think of that.
>>NIRMITA NARASIMHAN: I just have one thought this is Nirmita.
I doubt if there were many blind and other disabled people who can't
print over there but considering this is an accessibility meeting
you would have to make a point so just distributing papers wouldn't
do.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's a good point. We will have both. They will
be brief. And we will work out how we write them they will be read
briefly by the moderator which means they have to be short, sharp
and to the point and then they will also be printed out. Does that
work for people? And I want to come back to the idea of how many
people are on the panel.
So don't let me forget. So what does everybody think about
Nirmita's intervention? And I think it was a very fine one.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Yes, Nirmita is right. Andrea, Gerry. How
many people will be speaking at this? If we give them 15 minutes
each and you have four speakers, that's an hour of your two hours
gone.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That's correct.
>>GERARD ELLIS: The panel would need to ask for about 45 minutes
at least it leaves very little time at the end for questions and
answers but that's okay. Sorry, the point I was making, Andrea, is
I think you're restricted to four main speakers. Is that enough for
people? Is that okay? I don't have a problem. But I'm just
wondering, is it okay.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I was just going to come to that, either three or
four. And maybe what we have to do is put three or four persons who
spoke back in the audience and the people who don't have speeches,
they get to go on the podium. Their different voices. And so that
way you don't have -- whereas obviously Axel and Fernando and Clara
can communicate and ask questions from the audience which actually
probably is a good idea because they would get interest going and
the people who did not ->>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Andrea, this is Fernando. That would be
Jorge Plano, Axel and the lady that would be in the panel.
>>ANDREA SAKS: No they would not be on the panel is what I'm
proposing.
>>JORGE PLANO: Yes. Just that you mentioned. This is actually
Jorge.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Sorry, I thought you were Fernando. I got it.
Sorry. In other words, I'm trying to make it fair for everyone. If
you give a presentation, then we have to make space for the others
to speak. There would be questions and answers after the
presentation. Probably there would be an overview by Jonathan
Charles. Then we would go into the panel. And then the panel would
be the other persons who did not give us direct presentation. Who
would be identified and then be able with questions coming from the
audience to have a panel discussion. Like question time. Does that
seem like a fair division of labor.
>> That's an excellent division of labor. We have decided who
the three speakers would be. There probably would be room for one
more speaker so we have to decide on the five people, Fernando,
myself, Cynthia whoever which of the five would be the fourth speaker
and the rest who would be the panel. We need to make that decision.
>>ANDREA SAKS: We need to make a decision which is kind of tricky.
Anybody got a suggestion on how we do this we can't pull straws, can
we? Would you all like -- and this would be up to you. Wait.
Alexandra is talking to herself.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: I have a proposal here.
>> Go.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Normally in these workshops, we leave 20
minutes for a speaker. 20. So if there are three speakers last year
that didn't present, make up to one hour. And then the panel would
be opened.
>>ANDREA SAKS: And I want to say something else, have your
presentations ready. Last year for instance Jorge I'm not saying
anything knock on wood Jorge couldn't come or something changes or
we need you somewhere else. Your presentations are valuable. You
should have them. And we can post them on the web site. That this
is your presentation -- you have the presentation or a paper that
could actually go on the web site as part of being a panelist. What
do you think about that idea.
>> Yeah, that would be good.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. We have a yes from Gerry. Anybody else got
an idea? Okay. Let me recapitulate. You guys are really doing
great today. We have the three speakers who didn't speak before who
that will take care of the requirement that I have been thrust at
with IGF. The rest of these presentations will be written, will be
prepared, which will be posted on the web, they will be -- they can
be held in reserve. But these people will be the panelists. There
will be a biography with a picture available at the time of the meeting
and they will be readout by the moderator very briefly. And you know
what? We could -- and this is what you can come up with. We could
have a seating for the panel which okay could deal with a lot of
things. And Shadi of course won't be on this panel at all. But Shadi
could certainly talk about what the DCAD did and give a question.
All of you who are in the other workshop could be there and
give questions. Because you know what points you want to have out
there -- what questions you want to have out there and answered so
we can work together via e-mail and have one more brief call to see
what we want this panel to do. So it's almost like a survey. So
we won't go into that right now. But the principle that the other
people which would be Nirmita, Gerard, Cynthia, Peter Major and
Fernando would be on the panel with Jonathan Charles. And they would
be -- that would be like a suggestion. We would have a topic. And
that would be -- we would have an active session for the last hour.
I guess that's a yes. Congratulations you guys. I had such
trepidation about having so many wonderful people and I don't want
to make the decision. Thank you very much.
So we now will write that up in the program. Okay. Is there anything
else we need to do? I want to say one thing. All of you I want -who are on the panel and anyone else in the -- who are giving the
speakers which would be Axel and Jorge, if there are questions that
you feel that you want to have the panel ask and that deal with your
specific subject and that also applies to Arun and Shadi and Arnoud
that you get this to Alexandra just -- if it's just -- don't wait
until you get a whole bunch. If you get an idea just send it to
Alexandra, that would help us with the DCAD so it isn't me thinking
them up or Alexandra thinking them up, it's what you want to do.
The other thought I'm going to throw out is that if there's
any specific -- if there's any specific debate you think that needs
to be done because sometimes if we get the audience really active
on a very controversial subject, if you can think of one of those
things, that would be heaven, is that agreeable to people?
>> Indeed.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay.
Is there anything else you think we need to talk about at this
particular time in the planning of "From Athens to Vilnius"?
>>GERARD ELLIS: Andrea, I can't stay on much longer it's Gerry
Ellis again and I can't stay on too much longer because of my house
phone but can I just get an understanding of where we got from this
point remember there was a subgroup at this point.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Yeah I'm going switch to Item 7 which is subject
B the subgroup.
>>GERARD ELLIS: I just want to give -- to make sure that everyone
else's understanding is the same as of my understanding of how we
got here. Originally my understanding is Peter came up with an idea
of a questionnaire which we would send out to governments and
different organizations in different countries and use the results
of that as the basis for the workshop but I think we came to the
conclusion that that wasn't feasible to do in the short time we had
available to us and maybe that we might need to do it as a longer
term project and I think we have agreed that that longer term project
will continue and will happen. But maybe -- well, definitely not
in time for Vilnius.
And my own personal opinion is that we would probably need
some professional help in setting up the questions and moderating
amongst ourselves what those questions would be and our target and
that.
So it's something that will happen in the shorter -- in the
longer term.
We then decided well could we get Axel involved because of
what Axel is involved in with the United Nations and the G3ict and
that sort of stuff and Axel has been doing a survey around Information
Technology and Axel kindly agreed to come along and do a presentation.
And maybe Axel if I could ask you, could you give us a little idea
of what that survey was, how you went about it. And maybe what you
intend to present in Vilnius.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Sure. The survey itself was kind of an
ambitious project from the start which was to create an index
worldwide which measures the degree to which countries do announce
the accessibility agenda of the convention. We started this process
of brainstorming about the (inaudible) in April of 2008 following
global forum we had organized jointly with ITU in Geneva. And
actually I think Andrea, you were there at the first meeting. Maybe
some others on the call were there. I don't really remember.
But very quickly we formed this subgroup which was compiled
of participants from Norway and (inaudible) from IBM and Martin Gold
who at the time was the Director of research from the National Council
on Disability in Washington which advises the President and Congress.
Martin took the methodology front which was a great help to us and
the National Council on Disability agreed to lend us Martin for about
18 months part time to develop the methodology and the selection of
valuables and looking at ways to make this work.
With the -- from this exercise the methodology that's based
on the strict analysis on the text of the convention so we took the
convention and put that every possible single term due to access,
accessibility, reasonable accommodation or anything that would
actually be a legal term that's from Article 9 from the UN Convention
on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and we then put together
a list of measures and actually results that should be checked in
each country to the extent to which this should actually be
implemented we created (inaudible) to our valuables we have 54
values. We created (inaudible) one is the level of commitment of
the country which includes the background for the Rights of Persons
with Disabilities. The second leg is about specific programs and
policies on ICT accessibility. And the third leg is actual results
that can be observed in the countries such as those that don't have
captioned TV or inaccessible web sites and so on and so forth.
With those we devised two things the first was a system
framework for countries which is used when we do workshops to let
Government and legislators to do (inaudible) what they need to have
in their country because of the Conference and then we developed a
shorter list of valuables to create an index which is the one that
I will try to convene so the index it self has -- itself has 54
valuables among those two groups we created two questionnaires to
actually create those 54 valuables one for legal experts and one for
accessibility experts in each country.
I know some of you helped with some of those questionnaires.
Nirmita I think was one of our respondents in India. We had gotten
so far about 32 countries that have completed those questionnaires.
We hope by the time I present we would have about 50 responses.
That's out of 84 countries which we have worldwide so we are short
about 30 countries so I would tell you it's a very, very demanding
exercise because you need to find in each country persons who actually
have the knowledge to respond accurately to those questions. And
it's not ->>GERARD ELLIS: Can I just interrupt there for one second.
Because on that very point the key to these questionnaires. How did
you identify who to ask the questions for? Are they Government
people are they civil organizations? Are they People with
Disabilities? Who is this technological questionnaire going to be
answered by?
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: We started off with (inaudible) to go through
their National Assembly to notify respondents and so for the most
part we have notified persons that are respondents through the
disability movement. In some cases we have had contact with reliable
Government agencies which we believe are quite objective. So those
are the sources that we are using.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Okay. Anything else you want to say on the
survey.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: No, I mean, it's just -- we -- we do the survey
to -- with a couple of goals in mind. One is you know when you are
-- let me give you an example.
We were in Uganda not too long ago for a workshop. And there
we had dealt with a number of disabled organizations the National
Association for the Deaf in Uganda told us well you know we have had
a law that says that television must be captioned with sign language
for the deaf. But in fact after a very short spout the law actually
wasn't implemented. So now they are in the position of fighting in
court the broadcast service to get that law implemented again.
So the consistent here is that a lot of countries have great
laws. Not all of them are implemented and one of the actions of the
index is to provide to tell the governments look in the neighboring
countries this is how it's being done. It's done there, there and
there and why not in our countries so it's a way to emulate the best
situations in other countries. And I hope it can be of some help
over time and I think when we published the index at first, I'm sure
we will have a lot of feedback from different countries and more
respondents next year. But if we don't start at some point in time
to publish the results, we won't be able to recommend them. So that's
where we are today.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Okay. I'll just make two points and then maybe
open it up for questions. I think the two key points you have there
is it took you 18 months of intense work to do this and the other
important point is who did you ask to respond.
Does anyone else in the group here have questions for Axel
on this at all.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I have one.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Andrea.
>>ANDREA SAKS: If you look at the little agenda that I made. How
do we use our two hours for the DCAD meeting. Obviously some of that
would be planning for the future. And possible presentations in the
meeting surveying development.
Now, that was with a view that maybe the subcommittee, which
you are the chair of would in fact do a survey and I know UNESCO is
online with (inaudible) so they do surveys that if we should attempt
to do one.
It could be a discussion and part of the DCAD meeting with
Axel discussing a bit more in detail about the survey and whether
or not if IGF does go into the second primary zone if this is what
we would like to do. And that could be an agenda -- part of the agenda
for the DCAD meeting.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Andrea, do you think that we should do a survey
in association with ITU or in association with IGF? Or do it just
simply as DCAD by ourselves? Which do you think would be better?
>>ANDREA SAKS: I have listened to Axel. Professionals do
surveys. We are not professionals. In this area. And this was one
of my big concerns. Though I applaud Peter's attempt. I would think
that doing something with Axel is a possibility. But Axel would have
to think about this and how we could contribute. David gave a
suggestion of doing a survey which they put on the web which was quite
quick. David, do you want to explain that again?
>>DAVID WOOD: Well, yes. As you said, you know, when Alexandra
and I met Markus Kumar (phonetic) earlier in the year, he was very
taken with the idea of such a survey. And it's true that I have
thought of in terms personally of the kind of thing that the EBU does.
And these are short surveys, we get very high response rates to it
usually in a few days. But having heard Axel's if I might not quite
change my mind but I have the feeling that actually he's done
everything now already and that we might not need to do that anymore
because all of the information that we could get is covered in his
response. So I have a -- I have a feeling with Axel giving a
presentation about this, you know, certainly Markus would feel very
happy. And to some extent, isn't it really job done or am I missing
something.
>>SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Andrea, this is Shadi, if I may jump in.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Sure.
>>SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Yeah to kind of answer a bit of David's
question and maybe Axel will answer some of this. I don't think the
job is done. I think it's great to have the survey. And I think
this will be just a start. I think the survey will show a lot of
results and a lot of data that I think what our role could be is to
relay some of the outcomes of the survey to the IGF audience so we
work with Axel to you know look at some of the things that are
interesting to some of the governments and some of the policymakers
who are involved in IGF. And bring to them some of what we see, some
of the best practices we see. Also some of the common mistakes that
we see from the survey. And help them avoid mistakes. And
demonstrate that.
>>ANDREA SAKS: I have an idea. But let me just pop this in real
quick and then let you guys go again. We have Shadi's short
continuation of taking Axel's work, DCAD's work, combining it and
communicating it to the IGF. This could be what the DCAD meeting
is about. And this might also fulfill the idea that David had a
little earlier in the conversation about getting some kind of a
message out. Which we could begin to write at the time or just a
little bit before your ideas would be interesting. But that could
be part of the message that the Dynamic Coalition gives as it's report
out of the DCAD meeting. Because -- I did say how do we use our two
hours. This might be an excellent place to do that work. As a
preliminary for either the message that we're going to give out this
time and also for future work.
Go, everybody.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: So Andrea, this is Axel speaking. I have a
suggestion to make. You know, we are since the beginning discussion
has been open to all interested and willing stakeholders. And we
are quite eager to have anyone interested to join our group and
certainly our research committee. But for the short term, for the
Vilnius Meeting, I'm thinking that one thing what we could do right
away is I could probably send to the group a target -- target the
DCAD the list of countries where we still have no answer. Where we
have been unable to collect data. Because that would really help
us have a much more substantial set of results in Vilnius than if
we have some big whole (inaudible). So if that's something of
interest, I would love to either send that to you, Andrea, and you
can maybe dispatch it to the entire group or I can send it to the
group myself, you know.
And if, also, some of you are interested to look at how the methodology
and the results are being consolidated. And that's reported toward
the last part of August, then of course I would be more than happy
to have volunteers to help us, you know. We have -- we never have
too many people to help with that task. It's a complex task. And
it's very important to be able to interpret the results correctly.
And I think -- I agree with Shadi. That one thing the DCAD to do
is bring those results under the spotlight faster and better.
>>DAVID WOOD: Hi, it's David Wood here. Absolutely agree with
that. That would be wonderful. I mean, if the DCAD meeting could
be a vehicle for bringing conclusions of this questionnaire to the
wider audience. And of course the critical issues include whether
the news is good. Whether things are getting better or not. That
kind of thing.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Alexandra wants to pop in.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Axel and David, the idea of let's say having
the DCAD diversity in terms of nationalities, that was in mind when
we talked with Markus and David at the very beginning of this year.
And the idea of the questionnaire was to ask the different members
of the DCAD which come from any region of the world to say in this
country we do this. In one other country, we do something else. So
that this idea was already behind our discussion. And that's why
we so much -- we wanted to propose it. So now, Axel, we completely
agree on that.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Okay.
>>ANDREA SAKS: All right. So we have an agenda point for the DCAD
meeting if I can recapitulate that. That we'll have to make a note
and write this down. We'll have to start making the DCAD agenda of
this in advance. Go ahead.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Andrea, I should also say that Martin Gould has
volunteered to come to Vilnius for that session should we need him
and I told him to register just in case and he has done so. So we
may be able to get him to come.
>>ANDREA SAKS: That sounds absolutely fantastic. So we have
Martin Gould who is going to register. So are we in agreement -we won't be finalizing the entire DCAD meeting today. Because as
we noted last time, it became a bit of a free for all finishing the
message, which we did. So this time it will be focused on the survey.
And we will -- I think Alexandra is perfectly capable of writing
an agenda to deal with that kind of thing. She and I can talk about
that. And we'll submit that later on towards closer to the time.
I think we can even probably do it on the spot because it's
on the 16th. If we haven't got it completely, we can do Version 1,
Version 2. And what we do for next year.
Is that okay? And that's what -- and also what was the other
thing we were going to do for that.
Have I left anything out.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: May I ask, Andrea, who would like to assist us
with the results in the last phase in August among the group today.
>> (Inaudible).
>>ANDREA SAKS: You mean the report? What we're going to do now.
>> Yeah, I volunteer.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Okay. Great.
>> I would be ->>DAVID WOOD: I would be happy to help. Although not the world's
greatest mathematician.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: That's all right. I'm not, either. But Martin
Gould is. He's a statistician. So he keeps us honest.
>>GERARD ELLIS: This is Gerry Ellis I have asked to be a chair
of this so I'll have a few words also.
>>ANDREA SAKS: If we have Gerry as the chair and that this begins
to gel there, then Gerry can work with you guys on this. And then
report to Alexandra. Would that ->>GERARD ELLIS: I can give you an update.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: To Axel.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. Then Alexandra is saying that it should go
to Axel. And Axel coordinates. Maybe you and Gerry can work this
out together.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Sure. I also want to mention ->> I also want to mention that we did publish a very good work
written by Nirmita on the cooperation between countries, policies
and programs for web accessibility which is quite unique. And it's
available on the web. You can download it for -- just by clicking.
And Nirmita, how many countries did you survey? It was what, about
20?
>>NIRMITA NARASIMHAN: Yes, 17 or 18 in the EU.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Yeah. And it's a very interesting approach.
Because it's a comparison of policies implemented in those countries.
And it goes further in a way than the questionnaire that we have put
together because it's focused on web accessibility. And it's
actually going into in great detail as to what is being done in each
of those countries. I just want to mention that in passing. It's
a very good source.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Andrea, Jerry here as I said I've got to go very
shortly so I would just like to say thanks to Axel for getting so
close involved with this. It really, really helps us and helps to
profile the whole workshop. It's going to be great. May I ask you
one question, Andrea, before I go.
You mention at one stage maybe doing the before and after demo
we did last year as of January this is Shadi and myself and you were
saying there might be a possibility of doing that again. Have you
some details on that? Or is that a possibility?
>>ANDREA SAKS: Well, again, you guys decide. You have that panel
discussion. You could end it that way as a slam dunk, if you like,
for those posterior who didn't see it. It's a possibility.
How do the other panel members feel about that.
>>GERARD ELLIS: I think it would take too long to do as the panel
and would take away from other people's time so I think that would
be a bad time to do it.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay do you want to do it at the DCAD meeting because
we have no other space to do it unless of course there is one very
interesting idea. Are you still with us, David.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, sure.
>>ANDREA SAKS: If you lose and have this space, Gerry could do
that with Shadi again in your section because it's -- how better to
show assistive technology than to have Gerry and Shadi repeat that.
>>DAVID WOOD: Happy to look at that with Shadi, Arun and Arnoud,
of course.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. We'll leave that in your camp and you give
us a report back. Does that answer your question for the time being
for the moment, Gerry.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Perfect and with that I'm going to leave you now
and thank you all.
>>ANDREA SAKS: And we will send you the captioning. Don't worry.
Okay?
>>GERARD ELLIS: Okay. Thank you.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Thank you so much, Gerry for all your hard work.
Thank you.
>>GERARD ELLIS: Bye, everyone.
>>DAVID WOOD: Andrea, I'm sorry but I have to leave in a few
minutes, too.
>>ANDREA SAKS: We're going to go to your section right now, Section
6. You have the floor. Would you like to explain, go through your
workshop? I think we have heard quite a bit about it so you can kind
of just go through where you are with it and what's happening. So
you have the floor for No. 6.
>>DAVID WOOD: As you know this workshop is essentially about the
mobile environment and how to use the new tool there, the application,
as it were to help People with Disabilities. And the workshop has
two parts. The first one where we hear what the current situation
is. And the second one is perhaps when we hear from some members
of the community. And very much a part of this is Shadi, Arnoud and
Arun. And you'll find in the program that you sent, they have three
presentations. And right now they are helping very much to identify
the industry people from the first part of the session.
What else could I say? I think this is -- this is a very
fascinating area with lots happening today. If you have an iPhone,
you'll know there are all kinds of measures on that to help People
with Disabilities. But how far can we take this? That's the subject
of this. And I can only thank Shadi, Arnoud and Arun and you of course
for putting them in touch with me. And discussing this.
You'll find on the IGF web site had afternoon the revised
program. But it will just say panelists from industry at the moment.
But I hope thanks to the e-mails that Arnoud, Arun and Shadi have
sent out in the next few days, we'll have the industry people, as
well.
That's about it really. I don't think that -- we're trying
to get Jonathan there. But he's I think chairing another session
to do with content regulation at the same time. So it may be
difficult. So that's a quick summary of it.
But needless to say, all comments and suggestions and
proposals are welcome. But at the moment we're fairly full in time.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. That's fine. And I'm grateful for that
overview. And we have had bits of information coming forth in your
-- and you're suggestion of doing the same of where we have the panel
has been invaluable, David, thank you. Before you go, you realize
we're going to go to No. 8, remote participation and captioning. We
have three sessions. All of two hours each. That's six hours of
captioning.
I don't know how we're going to do the financial thing.
David, are you going to be able to caption your own and fund that?
>>DAVID WOOD: I'll look into it. But this is a particularly
difficult year for us. As you know with budget cuts. And I was only
just able to come myself. But I'll -- you know, myself and Jakima
(phonetic) will look into it. That's all I can say at the moment.
>>ANDREA SAKS: We have to solve it because we will be in violation
of the UN if we don't have that. So we have to ask everyone here
if their companies or their organizations can sponsor.
It's not that much money in some respects unless we have to
have a technician. But if even a few hundred pounds or a few hundred
dollars or a few hundred franks. If you can contribute that, that
would be helpful. Because at the moment, I'm getting lots of funding
for people to come but we haven't got complete funding for captioning
as of yet. So I'm going to throw that out there now. Because we
can't have sessions about accessibility without captioning. So I
think, David, if you went to EBU and said that, they would definitely
have to consider, as they very kindly did last year to make a
contribution. Towards that.
Okay? But we can do the arrangements. And get it sorted out.
But you have to also, David, have somebody who is going to be the
moderator who will do the remote participation and with captioning
you are able to do that with the chat box. If you were on the URL
now, you would see that there is a chat box that we can see what Arnoud
is saying for example. And relay that verbally to the group and then
it goes on to the captioning record permanently.
So can I ask you to take that back to EBU, please.
>>DAVID WOOD: I'll do my best, yes.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Thank you.
>>SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: Andrea, this is Shadi. I don't remember any
more, I don't recall. Have we ever pursued getting this kind of
support from the IGF directly as part of ->>ANDREA SAKS: Yes.
>>SHADI ABOU-ZAHRA: You know, accommodations for the meeting
itself? I mean usually the host needs to decide to make their event
accessible.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Yes, I do need to go and ask them again. We did
ask them last year. They didn't have the funds. So we raised that,
you helped that, G3ict contributed towards that. So yeah, that is
something that I will talk to Markus about. We'll have to work -we'll just work all of the avenues, yes, I will ask them again.
>>DAVID WOOD: Okay. Could I be excused then now.
>>ANDREA SAKS: You certainly can, sir. And I will talk to you
later. If today turns out to be a no-go, can I try you again tomorrow.
>>DAVID WOOD: Yes, I'm in the office all week, so no problem.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Fantastic, David, thank you so much for your
participation and your very, very helpful help.
>>DAVID WOOD: Okay, bye.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Bye.
>> Bye.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. So we have talked about No. 8. We are now
on No. 9. Which is -- does anybody have anything else they wish to
say about No. 8?
Okay. No. 9. Funding issues past and present.
Would you like to say what we have done so far with the people
who have contacted us, Alexandra.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Okay. We have made a list, provisional
list for the time being of the people that requested to be funded.
And after the call today, we will submit another version of the list,
which will be examined within ITU. And will be submitted to a country
who is kindly sponsoring. And they will decide who is eligible or
not to go to Vilnius with a sponsor.
And we will let you know as soon as possible. But it's a
committee. And it has to go through different phases. So it's not
that we have forgotten -- forgetting, it's that it takes time.
>>ANDREA SAKS: And I will be snapping my feet as usual trying to
get everything sorted out. So don't worry too much about that. I
think things are going to work. We'll have to get the program
together to also submit that with the list so they can see exactly
what everybody is doing. Which is extremely important. And it says
on the web site that the DCAD is helping to organize the EU workshop
as well as the Vilnius workshop so we'll put that together with the
second list. And again we have the captioning. Again we need your
bios, passports as evidence.
Now, I have asked you for your bios and your pictures. For
those of you who have asked for funding, can you please send as you
did last year and if you haven't this time -- if you haven't last
year, this year can you send the passports of the people, as well.
Because some of you may come under developing countries. Others of
you will come under the fact had a this country, which I think we
can -- we can identify the country. It's from Canada.
They have agreed to also fund Persons with Disabilities.
So how we juggle it up, I'm not sure how it's going to be.
But I have a feeling we'll be okay. But I can't promise.
And are there any questions?
I think we have covered funding. I've got 10. I've got one
other business.
I am going to suggest that we send again the guidelines for
an accessible meeting to IGF to send to the organizers of the Vilnius
thing to make sure they make things accessible for us again.
What does everybody else think about that?
>> I think it's very useful to do. You have to keep reminding
organizers of these conferences to do it.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. That's Axel Leblois. Okay. Do we have a
vote that that's okay that I do that in the next few days?
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: And if I may suggest something, Andrea, maybe
what you would like to do is say: Look, we are at your disposal if
you need any advice or support to help you with it. You know.
>>ANDREA SAKS: All right. I would like to seek everybody's
permission -- I don't know if you've seen it. But we will send you
what we wrote two years ago. And if you think there's something else
that we can add to that, I would be most grateful for your advice
on that. Is the rest of the group agreeable to that? Okay. That's
how we'll proceed. And then if it changes, we will send it to
everybody so they can have a quick look. And then we will send it
directly to Markus or have a conversation with Markus and see how
we can best communicate that tactfully to Vilnius.
Okay. Any other business?
All right. The dates of the next conference call.
August is impossible for people because it's a holiday. And
then we're there.
I think if we schedule one, it will have to be for the first
few days of August. We will be communicating with people
individually about funding. We will send you the program that we
have decided today through e-mail. And Axel, your other suggestion
about sending information out probably should go to Alexandra. And
copy to me. So that we can organize it. So one of the problems we
had with Peter sending out his particular survey is that it came from
Peter and nobody paid any attention to it, which is kind of
unfortunate. But sometimes we tend to put things in the sideline
here. That's for Peter. I'll look at that later.
So we need to make sure that we send it out as a DCAD -- you
know, anything that we do.
So the next conference call I think we have to do in the very
early days of September. I'm going to propose some dates. And that
would be probably in the first week of September. We have the 1st,
the 2nd and the 3rd of September.
Are any of those dates okay for people? And we'll try and
make it at 1400. To 1600.
Does anybody have a preference of dates, please?
Just to tie up loose ends.
No one is coming forth with a possible date.
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: Well, Andrea, this is Fernando, Tuesdays in
general work better for me.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Tuesdays?
>>FERNANDO BOTELHO: In general, yeah.
>>ANDREA SAKS: 31st of August. What do you think?
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Sounds good. That's good.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. 31st of August. Yeah, people probably will
be back by then. So we have the 31st of August. Is everybody happy
with that as the proposed date? And that will be our final call
before we go.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: So it would be 2 p.m. (inaudible).
>>ANDREA SAKS: Sorry? That would be 2 p.m. Yes.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: So that would ->>ANDREA SAKS: We unfortunately couldn't get the time for today.
There was a bit of a mixup here, which we apologize for. We had to
have it at noon.
Now, is there anything else? I'll just go back again -- that
we have not covered that we ought to cover that I've missed?
Okay. We've managed ->>AXEL LEBLOIS: So the general session that is being had on
accessibility, what is the current agenda?
>>ANDREA SAKS: The current agenda for what, Axel?
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: There is a panel on the general session. And
->>ANDREA SAKS: Oh, we need to give you the time of that.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Axel, I will send the e-mail today. It's
going to be on Wednesday, 15 September, from 3 to 6.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Okay.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Access and Diversity mind sessions.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Okay.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay. And it's before our DCAD meeting. So we
can't really present anything to them. But we can certainly
advertise our sessions. We can certainly since it's the day before
what we do, we're going to use that as an opportunity to get people
to come to ours.
>>AXEL LEBLOIS: Uh-huh.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Okay? Thank you, Axel. Is there anybody else who
wishes to say anything?
Well, I presume Shadi, Arun, Nirmita, Axel, Jorge, Fernando,
you are still on the line and Arnoud. Thank you very, very much.
Now, Arnoud said 1 or the 3rd is preferred. Arnoud are you okay for
the 31st of August. You didn't respond to that. Is that okay for
you? Okay. Yes. Okay. Fine. He's already.
Okay. I think we've done it. Thank you very, very, very
much, everyone. And I will be communicating -- we will be
communicating with you over the next couple of weeks with -- well,
with everything that we have promised. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Andrea, bye bye, everyone.
>>ANDREA SAKS: Bye bye.
>>ALEXANDRA GASPARI: Thank you, bye.
>> Thank you.
>> Bye bye, Andrea.
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