Julie Linowes (formerly Julie Firth) lives in New York and has been a photographer and video installation artist for over 35 years. Linowes received a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Pennsylvania in 1978 and a Master of Fine Arts in 1988 from the University of Southern California, School of Cinema-Television. She has exhibited widely both internationally and in the United States and is in the permanent collections of prominent museums including the National Museum Of Women In The Arts and the Corcoran Gallery of Art. Linowes is also in private and corporate international collections and has been in numerous solo and group exhibits including a Sotheby’s exhibit and auction and the Corcoran Gallery’s “Both Sides Of Photography.” Linowes has been published in academic journals and she presents papers at international conferences in her area of specialization, the intersection between psychoanalytic experience and the creative process. Julie Linowes: STAIN January 25–March 13, 2010 American University Museum 4400 Massachusetts Ave NW Washington, DC 20016 www.american.edu/museum Cover: Genealogical Breach (detail), 2010, 8-channel video installation with audio, 1 min., 29 sec. Courtesy of the artist. Below: Moving Immobility, 2010, 8-channel video installation with audio, 2 min., 11 sec. Courtesy of the artist. Julie Linowes STAIN January 25 – March 13 Included Works 1. Making The Cut, 2010, 1 min., 46 sec. 2. Holding Cell, 2010, 2 min., 30 sec. 3. Genealogical Breach, 2010, 1 min., 29 sec. 4. The Unrendered Real, 2010, 1 min., 21 sec. 5. Moving Immobility, 2010, 2 min., 11 sec. 6. Drifting Intersection, 2010, 2 min., 01 sec. 7. Luminous Betrayal, 2010, 1 min., 50 sec. 8. Always & Never The Stranger Within, 2010, 3 min., 49 sec Julie Linowes.indd 1 1/19/11 3:13:25 PM Clockwise from top left: Drifting Intersection, 2010, 8-channel video installation with audio, 2 min., 01 sec., Courtesy of the artist. Holding Cell, 2010, 8-channel video installation with audio, 2 min., 30 sec., Courtesy of the artist. Making The Cut, 2010, 8-channel video installation with audio, 1 min., 46 sec., Courtesy of the artist. The Unrendered Real, 2010, 8-channel video installation with audio, 1 min., 21 sec., Courtesy of the artist. JL: It’s a Jewish prayer shawl that men have traditionally worn when they go into the synagogue to pray. It is a sacred kind of object. JR: What does it signify? JL: I am not any kind of expert on Jewish history or the intricacies of Judaism. To me, the tallis does not represent religion or Judaism, but is strongly associated with ritual, ceremony, family, and culture, and most particularly with my father. Judaism was what I grew up with so these are the objects and rituals I’m familiar with. I found this object that held a deep personal significance, an emotional resonance for me, and that was the jumping off point. From the start, I conceived of STAIN as being comprised of both still and moving image. I was continuing my investigation into the relationship between conscious and unconscious experience. Very early on my work developed a surrealist aesthetic and dream-like vocabulary which has persisted to this day. I knew that I wanted the still images to be extremely layered and I also knew I wanted to have video playing behind a transparent still image though I had no idea how I was going to achieve this.I started with the still image, with photography, and worked on this component for almost 5 years. Work on the video came in the sixth. This body of work took me 9 years to complete. An Interview with Julie Linowes / By Jack Rasmussin JR: Your installation, STAIN, is a very moving, very sad, and very beautiful group of video experiences. I was wondering how it came to be. The music, of course, is wonderful, so I’m wondering if you started with the music or if you found the right music as you went along? JL: I came across the music as I went along but as soon as I heard it, it was all I could listen to while I worked. It struck the emotional temperature that the work was exploring. The starting point for me with a new body of work usually comes when I’m getting near to completing another body of work. I feel this impulse to start casting about for a new direction, new ideas. Often, I wander around looking at landscapes, various locations, looking at objects. Typically, I find myself going to places that are saturated with a kind of history, where there is a deeply layered sense of lives lived. I also look for objects that possess that same quality, that are imbued with some historical sense of significance. I prowl antique stores, flea markets, that kind of thing. I gather things up with little understanding of what will be of use and what will be discarded. All I know at the beginning is that they’ve spoken to me in some way and so I’m willing to explore their significance further. The starting point for STAIN was when I came across a tallis that my father had worn when I was young. I asked him if I could use it in my work and he agreed. This was the object that started the journey that became STAIN. JR: What is a tallis? Julie Linowes.indd 2 returned to New Zealand after visiting the States, I walked into my organic butcher shop and there was a full-body pig carcass hanging behind the counter. It was like “Oh, my God!”. First of all, as an object it appealed to me enormously because I love that push-pull between horror and beauty and, boy, did that pig carcass possess both. This kind of polarity really gets me going. I think that’s one of the reasons why I’m such a fan of Matthew Barney, Francis Bacon. My response was that it had to go in, but I didn’t know why. I spent several years working with both the tallis and the pig carcass but I felt extremely uncomfortable about doing so. My discomfort came from not really understanding why I felt compelled to work with these objects. I knew that these were such loaded objects, and I knew that if I couldn’t articulate, to myself first of all, why I was doing what I was doing that not only was I headed for big trouble but I was also being irresponsible. My discomfort was so intense that several times I nearly abandoned the project altogether. But, I also trusted my intuitive process and believed that sooner or later I would arrive at an understanding. And, this happened. In fact, the meaning actually emerged from a dream. I came to understand that I was exploring the sacred and the profane and how unstable these concepts are; I was interrogating how we come to assign those labels to certain objects and ideas. JR: Have you always engaged in this process of layering still and moving images? JR: The piece is called STAIN, and I assume that’s related to the blood, and also to your concern with human nature or Original Sin, a condition of being alive. JL: No, but I have always tried for this haunting quality, for darkness and beauty. I have always been driven to create beautiful imagery, whether it be black-and-white, color, or video. I know that my work is challenging on a lot of different levels, and it has always required the viewer to go to an emotional place that I think a lot of people would rather not go to. I use beauty as an act of seduction, it’s what draws the viewer in and motivates them to linger; it’s also the pay-off for being willing to go where the work takes them. JL: You’re right in saying that STAIN is related to blood but more importantly, it’s an expression of my idea of the relationship between conscious and unconscious experience where the only knowledge we can ever hope to have of our unconscious is the residue that gets left behind...perhaps in the form of dream memories or reveries or fantasies. To my mind, there’s a stain, an evidentiary trace, that is deposited on the membrane of the conscious and it is this that we can examine for clues to ourselves. JR: You require a lot of your viewers. They must take a significant amount of time and enter a very dark place to experience STAIN. Which brings me back to the second part of your question which has to do with human nature and Original Sin or, as you so beautifully put it ,“the condition of being alive.” I really do believe in that saying, “the personal is political.” I think we all carry within us parts of ourselves that we reject, harshly judge, are ashamed of...and I also think that we turn our back on these parts and bury them out of sight, somewhere deep inside. Yet, just because we don’t see them doesn’t mean that these parts aren’t still alive and active. In fact, it is because these parts are unacknowledged that they have a way of seeping out and wreaking havoc. One of the most troubling manifestations of this dynamic is our need to vilify those people or cultures that are different from us and to cast them into the role of the “Hated Other.” We see this over and over again on the world stage. The enmity that exists in various parts of the world, whether recent or ancient, has always as one of its components, this viewpoint of the Hated Other. And, really, from an entirely different viewpoint we can simply look at the other party or culture as merely different. The hatred is a product of judgment. And, this is where the tallis and the pig come into it. I know there may be people who find the idea of the pig and the tallis coexisting within the same image as deeply disturbing or offensive or blasphemous. And, yet, this is exactly what the work is asking the viewer to explore and examine. In another cultural context, these objects would not carry the same emotional freight and what is reviled becomes revered. In the final image of the installation, “Always & Never The Stranger Within”, the woman has found a way to embrace the pig, she has learned how to have compassion for that pig, to see it for the wound that it is, and, most importantly... to forgive. Ultimately, STAIN is about compassion and forgiveness. It is a protest against occupying any position that results in polarizing hatred... either within ourselves or between ourselves and others. JL: That’s true...both metaphorically and literally! And not only do they have to spend the time and feel the feelings but they also have to figure out how to negotiate the physical space. I put the viewer in a very active position. When they first enter a room, the experience is overpowering. There are four videos, one on each wall, each highly complex. And, there is also audio. This experience of being overwhelmed is an intentional strategy. The work is meant to blindside conscious understanding, to force the viewer to metaphorically throw up their hands in surrender, to propel them into some kind of unconscious encounter with the work. Hopefully, if they’re willing to spend the time, they settle into the experience and then begin to observe that there’s a kind of order...but the disordered order that is characteristic of dreams. On a certain level my main area of investigation, for over 35 years, has been to devise a visual language that gets as close as possible to expressing the interface between conscious and unconscious experience. Not just the conscious as one thing and the unconscious as another, but where they meet, what that interface is, and how we experience this. That is such an ephemeral and ineffable thing; it is so fluid; so transparent and permeable. To me a video installation, as opposed to having this object of the transparency, got much closer to expressing that. It also allowed me to have the still image transform which was an additional bonus. When it was a transparency, it was a fixed thing and that was that. JR: How and when did the pig carcass make an appearance? JL: For the first few years it was all about the tallis. But one day, when I 1/19/11 3:13:52 PM