Chabot Engineering
Degrees, PEs, and
System Engineering
Bruce Mayer, PE
Licensed Electrical & Mechanical Engineer
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Outline
 Speaker Bio
 Which Degree; BS, MS, PhD, PE?
 Systems Engineering
• What is it?
– The Defining Attributes
– How it Differs From CE, ChemE, EE, MatE, ME,
etc.
• Why is it needed?
– i.e., What is the Value
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Outline cont.1
• How Do I Prepare for Systems Engineering?
– Communication
– Leadership
 Professional Engineering (PE) License
• WHAT is it?
• HOW do I earn it?
– Application PreReq & Process
– Effort Level
• WHY SHOULD I Earn it?
– CE’s vs. Everyone Else
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Outline cont.2
 LeaderShip
• A Critical Engineering Skill
 College/University Employment
Recruiting
• What do Employers Need/Expect?
– One Recruiter’s Perspective
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Which Degree for Me?
 A New-Grad
Baccalaureate
Engineer Must
Make a Choice
American Council on Education
Committee on Academic Customs &
Ceremonies - Color Guidelines
Arts, Letters & Humanties
White
Education
Light Blue
Engineering
Orange
Law
Purple
Medicine
Green
Philosophy
Dark Blue
Science
Golden Yellow
Business
Drab (Brown)
• Go To GRADUATE
SCHOOL IMMEDIATELY
– If so, then MS or PhD?
• Enter the PRACTICE of Engineering
– Go to Graduate School LATER?
– Limitations of BS-Only?
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
BS-Degree → Pros & Cons
 Proponencies
• Quickest Path to
Making a Living
• Largest Absolute
Number of
Professional
Opportunities
– Best Selection of
COMPANY and
LOCATION
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 Contraries
• Not Sufficient
Qualifications for
Some Positions
• Statistically the
Lowest
Compensation
• Lowest on the
Prestige Ladder
– But Still MUCH better
than any OTHER
Type of BS degree
Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
MS-Degree → Pros & Cons
 Proponencies
• Only 1-1.5 Years
After BS Degree
• Qualified for Some
Research Positions
• Not “Over Qualified”
for Most BS
Positions
– Still have Large
Selection of
Employers &
Locations
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 Contraries
• Not Sufficient
Qualifications for
Pure Research
Positions
• Extra Work without
earning a Title
– You’re Still a “Mr.” or a
“Ms.”
• Only about 25% of
the way up the
Prestige Ladder
Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
PhD-Degree → Pros & Cons
 Proponencies
• Qualified for the
Highest Positions
• The Chance to Do
ORIGINAL Research
• Statistically Best
Compensation
• Top of the Prestige
Ladder
• May be Considered
“Over Qualified” for
Many Positions
– Instant Credibility
– No Salary, Large
Student Loans
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 Contraries
– Severely Contracts
the Employer &
Location Sets
• 3-4 YEARS of
INTENSE Academic
Training after the BS
Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Caveat Emptor
 Success in the Private Sector is NOT
Strictly Tied to Academic Achievement
 These People Hold
Advanced Degrees
• Jack Welch, CEO
General Electric
– Ph.D. ChemE
University of Illinois
• Andy Grove, CEO
Intel Corp.
– Ph.D., ChemE
UCBerkeley
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 These People Do
NOT
• Bill Gates, Chairman
MicroSoft
• Michael Dell,
Chairman Dell
Computer
• Larry Ellison, CEO
ORACLE Corp
Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
A PE License Certificate
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
The “Board”
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Professional Engineer License
 What is it?
• Defined by the State of California PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEERS ACT
– Business and Professions Code § 6700 – 6799
• §6701. Professional Engineer Defined
– “Professional engineer”… refers to a person engaged in the
professional practice of rendering service or creative work
requiring education, training and experience in engineering
sciences and the application of special knowledge of the
mathematical, physical and engineering sciences in such
professional or creative work as consultation, investigation,
evaluation, planning or design of public or private utilities,
structures, machines, processes, circuits, buildings,
equipment or projects, and supervision of construction for
the purpose of securing compliance with specifications and
design for any such work.
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
How to Earn the License
1. Graduate

From an ABET-accredited engineering program
at a college or university
2. Earn Engineer-in-Training (EIT) Cert

Pass the 8-Hour FUNDAMENTALS Exam

Take After 3rd Year at an ABET Accredited University
3. Accumulate 6 yrs qualifying experience

4 yrs for BS; 5 yrs for MS or PhD

Need at Least ONE year of REAL Experience
4. Pass the 8-Hr, Discipline-Specific
Professional Engineer’s Exam
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
PE Exam Application
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Currently Licensed Disciplines
 Agricultural
 Metallurgical
 Chemical
 Nuclear
 Civil
 Petroleum
 Control System
 Traffic
 Electrical
 Fire Protection
 Industrial
 Mechanical
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
The Board’s Mission
 From:
http://www.pels.ca.gov/pubs/consumer_
guide.pdf
 The Mission of the Board for
Professional Engineers and Land
Surveyors is to safeguard the life,
health, property, and welfare of the
public by regulating the practice of
professional engineering and land
surveying
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
TakeHome Exam on Ethics
 Covers
• CA state-laws
• BOARD FOR PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEERS, LAND SURVEYORS, AND
GEOLOGISTS rules
• Ethics in General
 http://www.pels.ca.gov/applicants/pe_ta
kehome.pdf
• Can see actual questions
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Are the Tests
Hard?
 EIT → Not so Bad
FE exam Pass Rates
Examinees'
First-time Repeat
college/university takers
takers
degree discipline
Examination
First-time Repeat
takers
takers
PE Agricultural
55%
42%
PE Chemical
72%
30%
PE Civil
59%
28%
PE Control Systems
71%
45%
PE Electrical and Computer
62%
25%
PE Environmental
69%
40%
PE Fire Protection
51%
27%
PE Industrial
62%
26%
PE Mechanical
65%
31%
Chemical
80%
26%
Civil
75%
23%
Electrical
60%
25%
Environmental
71%
32%
PE Metallurgical
64%
21%
Industrial
54%
12%
PE Mining and Mineral
75%
50%
Mechanical
83%
28%
PE Nuclear
41%
0%
Others
75%
26%
PE Petroleum
66%
32%
PE Structural I
43%
18%
PE Structual II
56%
34%
 PE → Can be Quite
Difficult
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PE Exam Pass Rates • October 2004
• About 60% for CE,
EE, and ME Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
FE/EIT Question Examples
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
FE/EIT Question Examples
 Find the Phasor
Current, IO, in the
Circuit Below
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 Find vO(t) at t = 0.75
seconds
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
FE/EIT
Question
Examples
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
FE/EIT
Question
Examples
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
FE/EIT
Question
Examples
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
FE/EIT
Question
Examples
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Why Earn the PE License?
 Do I NEED it?
• Civil Engineers → Absolutely REQUIRED
– 90+% of CE Work Must Be Approved by A
State-Licensed Civil/Structural Engineer
 CE is PRACTICE REGULATED by the State of Calif.
• EveryOne Else → NICE to Have
– 90-95% of Work in the Other Major Disciplines
Does NOT require licensure
 EE and ME are PARTIALLY Practice-Regulated
 Primarily Those who Work for the State, Cities, and Counties
 ALL Other Branches are NOT Practice-Regulated
 Thus NO Regulation-Driven Registration
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Historical Pass Rates
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
If Not CE, Then Why PE?
 Licensure DISTINGUISHES you from
other Engineers
 CREDIBILITY when starting your own
business or consulting
 ONLY PE’s Can use
the Terms
• Professional Engineer
• Consulting Engineer
• Registered Engineer
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
If Not CE, Then Why PE? (cont)
 For an engineer, becoming registered or
licensed is comparable to
• A Medical Doctor passing the
medical board examination
• A Lawyer passing the bar examination
• An Accountant becoming a CPA
 Thus, becoming a licensed engineer
grants an enhanced status in the eyes of
the public, and equates with
professionals licensed in other fields.
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
If Not CE, Then Why PE? (cont)
 Only LICENSED PROFESSIONALS are
allowed SIGN and SEAL Engineering
plans for the Public
 Licensure is a sign of COMMITMENT to
the PROFESSION
 The PE license Enhances the Potential
for Salary-Increases and Promotions
 Yields a Higher Level of Respect and
Credibility among Engineering Peers
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
The Power of the PE License
 Well Summarized by the National
Society of Professional Engineers
"Licensure is the mark of a
professional. It’s a standard
recognized by employers and
their clients, by governments and
by the public as an assurance of
dedication, skill and quality.”
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
WHY Earn the License?
 Over 80% of WORKING Engineers
are NOT Licensed
• Most Engineering PROFESSORS are
Highly Trained but UNLicensed
• Exception is CE which is “Practice
Regulated”
 Why then should a NonCE endure
the Time, Effort, Expense, and Stress
associated with Earning the PE?
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
The Power of the PE License
 Your PE License Sets You Apart
• For fields such as EE where the PE is
preferred but usually not required, it gives
you another opportunity to STAND OUT.
 A PE License Generally Means a
Higher Salary
• From the 2010 NSPE Salary Survey of ALL
Engineering Disciplines
– UNLicensed Salary → $94k/year
– Licensed Salary → $99k/year (≈5% more)
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
The Power of the PE License
 A Differentiator in the Hiring Process
• If a company has to CHOOSE between two
qualified applicants, one with a PE license
and one without, then which one has the
advantage?
 Sign and Seal Design Documents
• Only a licensed engineer can submit
plans and drawings, and be in
charge of certain projects in the
private sector.
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
The Power of the PE License
 The License Confers Special Titles
• By the CA Professional Engineers Act
ONLY Licensed Engineers can use titles:
– “CONSULTING engineer”
– “PROFESSIONAL engineer”
– “REGISTERED engineer”
 License Applies ThruOut the USA
• FE and PE exams and the minimum
registration requirements are
STANDARDIZED NATIONALLY
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
PE Q&A
 Who Writes the Exam?
• CA uses FE and PE Exams Written by the
National Council of Examiners for
Engineering and Surveying (NCEES)
– Located in Clemson, SC
– Provides a great deal of information and testprep Materials
– http://www.ncees.org/
 Where are the Exam Sites?
• San Mateo, Sacramento, Pomona,
San Diego
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PE Q&A
 I want to Take the MetalE Exam, but I
need THREE Licensed References,
AND MetalE is small discipline that is
Not Heavily Registered. HOW can I get
the Required Refs?
• The PE Act Exempts from Licensed Refs
NonCivil Engineers Practicing in Industry
Plain Language Pamphlet http://www.dca.ca.gov/pels/e_plppe.htm
2: Q26. What constitutes a satisfactory reference in connection with an application?
In California, electrical and mechanical (and other Branches) engineering work performed by employees of the
Federal Government, and employees of manufacturing, mining, public utility, research and development, or other
industrial corporations is exempt, and thus, such employees may serve as references whether or not
they are licensed as long as they are qualified to appraise the technical competency of the applicant.
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PE Q&A
 HOW and HOWMUCH Should I
Study for the Exam?
 Lots of Prep
Materials Available
• GOOGLE Search on
“California PE Exam
Study Course”
– http://www.pelicense.o
rg/
– http://ppi2pass.com/ca
talog/servlet/MyPpi
– http://www.uclaextensi
on.edu/
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Session Date
ME Exam Topic
1
7/5/05
Intro to Exam / Engr Economics
2
7/12/05
Dynamics
3
7/26/05
Thermodynamics
4
8/2/05
Power Cycles
5
8/9/05
Fluids
6
8/16/05
Heat Transfer
7
8/23/05
HVAC 1
8
8/30/05
HVAC 2
9
9/6/05
Combustion
10
9/13/05
Statics, Mechanics of Materials
11
9/20/05
Mechanics of Materials, Failure
12
9/27/05
Machine Design 1
13
10/4/05
Machine Design 2
14
10/11/05 Compressible Fluid Flow/ WrapUp
 Plan on Studying
the Equivalent of a
5-unit Qtr-Course
• 15 hrs/wk for
about 11 wks
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
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Chabot Engineering
Appendix
Bruce Mayer, PE
Licensed Electrical & Mechanical Engineer
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu
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Concept Drawing for
IC Manuf. Machine Tool
Systems
Engineering
Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Systems Engineering
 What is it? → Short Answer
• Understand the Needs of the CUSTOMER
• To Design the ARCHITECTURE of a
MULTI-ELEMENT SYSTEM (Product
and/or Service)
• Then LEAD Product DESIGN,
PROTOTYPING, TESTING, and
INTRODUCTION
• Lead by Determining WHO will do WHAT
by WHEN and for HOW MUCH-$
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System Architecture – WJ2000A
B. Mayer
B. Mayer
Z. Yuan
L. Harlamoff
AKMcGrogan
HSPaek
CEErickson
MSWalton
FSMenagh
RSMurphy
R. Reghitto
MSWalton
DMDobkin
CalPoly-SLO
Alum
B. Mayer
(acting as of 08Nov)
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
What IS a System?
 A system is a construct or collection of DIFFERENT
ELEMENTS that TOGETHER produce results NOT
OBTAINABLE by the ELEMENTS ALONE.
 The elements, or parts, can include PEOPLE,
HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, FACILITIES, POLICIES,
and DOCUMENTS
 The RESULTS include SYSTEM Level qualities,
Properties, Characteristics, Functions, Behavior and
PERFORMANCE.
 The VALUE ADDED by the system as a whole,
beyond that contributed independently by the parts, is
primarily CREATED by the RELATIONSHIP AMONG
THE PARTS; that is, how they are interconnected
Courtesy of the International Council on Systems Engineering
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
WHY Systems Engineering?
 Modern Heavily-Engineered Products
are Highly INTERDISCIPLINARY
 UNDERSTANDING and DESIGN of
Complex-Component INTERACTION is
AS IMPORTANT as the Components
themselves
 SOMEONE has to have a
View of the Product From the
CUSTOMER/USER Perspective
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
SysEngr Characteristics
 A TRUE Technical Position
• NOT a “Program MANAGER”
 Some Synonyms
• Project Engineer
• System Architect (my Favorite)
• Product Engineer
 The Primary TECHNICAL Contact for
• Customers
• Company Upper-Management
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Bruce Mayer, PE
BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
System Performance 
Design Rules
 USERS of Heavily Engineered systems
generally do not specify the detailed
operational requirements for the Hardware &
Software that comprise the system. Instead
the CUSTOMER (often another Engineer)
specifies PERFORMANCE criteria such as
ThruPut, OutPut Quality, DownTime, etc.
 System Engineers translate the CUSTOMER
PERFORMANCE Requirements into internal
HW/SW Design SPECIFICATIONS.
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Systems Engineering Owns
 System Architecture
• Overall Function of the
System at a Conceptual Level
• Customer Interface Documents
– Facility/Installation Diagram(s)
– Facility/Host  Communication interface
 The System Specification that defines
• System & Subsystem Performance
 Life Cycle Analysis if Needed
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Systems Engineering Owns cont.-1
 The System Specification that defines
System & Subsystem Compliance to
industry standards and regulations
• System Operation (a.k.a. Theory of
Operation)
• Subsystem Interconnects (System
integration)
 The Project Schedule (How Long?)
 The Project Budget (How Much?)
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
Systems Engineering Owns cont.-2
 The Project Implementation Team (Who?)
• Elements from: Mechanical/Electrical Design,
Process, Software, Manufacturing., etc.
 Setting Project Priorities (What Next?)
 Technical Communication to the “Outside
World” (Product Education)
• Internal Sales & Marketing
• Operations (Manufacturing, Training, Service)
• Customers Directly When Needed
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
SysEngr owns the Product Spec
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
SysEngr – Technical Side
 The INCOSE “SIMILAR” Model
 State the problem
 Integrate
 Investigate
alternatives
 Launch the system,
 Model the system
 Re-evaluate
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 Assess performance
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
SysEngr Special Skills
 MUST Be Comfortable In Front of the
CUSTOMER
• When the Sales Engineers Exhaust Their
Technical Expertise the SysEngr Takes
Over to Explain the Product
 Effective Communicator
• Become a POLISHED and
PROFESSIONAL Presenter
• Write CLEARLY and CONCISELY
– Write a LOT
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
SysEngr Special Skills
 Accurate Task SCHEDULER
• Aim for Massive PARALLELISM
– Recognize DEPENDENCIES & SEQUENCES
• Extra Effort to NOT to MISS Anything
 Accurate L&M $-Cost ESTIMATOR
• SysEngr OWES Company Management
REALISTIC $-Cost Estimates
– Serves as Input to the Business-Required
Return on Investment (RoI) Decisions
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Overall/LongTerm 3x00 S2/S8/CE Schedule
Ref. BMayer file 3100_S2S8CE_0109.mpp
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Overall/LongTerm 3x00 S2/S8/CE Schedule
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R&D Project Labor and Material Cost Breakdown Estimate
WJ-2000A NEAR-APCVD CLUSTER TOOL DEVELOPMENT -> See also file POS2000A.doc
1
Engineering Department
Process Engineering
Mechanical Engineering
Drafting/Documentation
Drafting/Documentation
Process Engineering
Process Engineering
Control Systems Engr.
Control Systems Engr.
APCVD Next
APCVD Next
APCVD Next
APCVD Next
Process
Engineering
APCVD
NextEngineering
Mechanical
Core Development Engr.
SoftwareEngineering
Process
Engineering
SoftwareEngineering
Process
Engineering
SoftwareEngineering
Process
Engineering
Software Engineering
Software Engineering
Software Engineering
Software Engineering
Software Engineering
Safety
Field Process
8
5
14
14
8
8
3
3
7
7
7
7
2
6
8
8
8
8
8
8
8
8
8
8
This estimate is used to establish engineering budget, POS cost estimate, obtain charge number and provide metrics baseline
Assigned Supervisor
Person's Initials to
Jan-97 Feb-97 Mar-97 Apr-97 May-97 Jun-97 Jul-97 Aug-97 Sep-97 Oct-97 Nov-97 Dec-97 Jan-98
Name
Concur
Describe Skill
Needed
Team Leader B. Mayer
240
240
240
240
240
240
240
PM translate/rotation
A McGrogan
40
40
40
120
120
120
120
Design & Document-Control;
DD1
EUCLID trained
0
20
40
80
120
120
120
Design & Detailing;
DD2
EUCLID trained
0
20
40
80
120
120
120
Electrical/Mechanical/Process
LAPage
Technician 20
80
80
80
80
160
160
Electrical/Mechanical/Process
E/M/P1
Technician 0
0
0
20
40
120
120
Electrical Engineer;
CSE1
SensorBus Trained
0
80
160
160
160
160
160
Electrical Engineer/Technician
RLIfland
0
20
40
80
120
120
120
ME: Design injector
AQMiller
, PM upper chamber 160
160
160
160
160
160
160
ME: Design Process
WJWilliams
Chemical Delivery System
160
160
160
160
160
160
160
ME: Design and KWVeeck
Improve Wafer Heating Chuck
160
160
160
160
160
160
160
ME: Assist Z. Yuan
S. Murphy
with CVD Byproduct control
160 development
160
160
160
160
160
160
General Mechanical
CCCollins
structural design, Exhaust
120 system
120 design
160
160
160
160
160
Procecess Engineer:
LHMichael
Assist Z. Yuan with CVD
40 Byproduct
80 control
120 development
120
120
120
120
Procecess Engineer:
Z. Yuan
SubProject leader for
120
CVD Byproduct
120
control
160 development
160
160
160
160
Procecess Engineer:
L. Zhang
Lead MACH1 POC tool
120 lab operations
120
160
160
160
160
160
Electrical/Mechanical/Process
M. Talley
Technician: Assist
0
Z. Yuan
0
with40
CVD Byproduct
80
control
80
development
80
80
Embedded Control
GRBoehm
40
80
120
120
120
120
120
Embedded Control
GRBoehm
40
80
120
120
120
120
120
Embedded Control
WJShands
40
80
120
120
120
120
120
ControlWORKS GUI
FSMenagh
40
80
120
120
120
120
120
Software TestingTQWolf
40
80
120
120
120
120
120
Design meets S2-93
P. Clark
etc.
0
20
40
40
40
40
40
Training for  install
FPE1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Engineering Hours Subtotal
240
120
120
120
160
120
160
120
160
160
160
160
160
120
160
160
80
120
120
120
120
120
20
0
240
120
120
120
160
120
160
120
160
160
160
160
160
120
160
160
80
120
120
120
120
120
20
120
240
120
120
120
160
120
160
120
160
160
160
160
160
120
160
160
80
120
120
120
120
120
20
40
240
80
120
120
160
120
160
80
160
160
160
160
160
120
160
160
80
120
120
120
120
120
20
80
240
80
120
120
160
120
160
80
160
160
160
160
160
120
160
160
80
120
120
120
120
120
20
80
1540
2000
2560
2820
2960
3120
3120
3100
3220
3140
3100
3100
0
0
40
40
80
80
160
160
160
160
160
160
160
160
40
160
160
80
160
160
120
160
160
0
0
0
0
20
0
120
40
160
80
160
200
160
300
0
0
0
0
20
40
80
80
80
160
80
160
80
200
40
40
160
40
40
40
20
160
160
160
160
20
20
40
0
0
160
300
20
80
160
0
40
80
160
0
0
0
40
0
80
80
160
160
40
200
160
160
80
400
160
160
80
400
160
160
80
200
160
160
40
200
160
160
20
80
160
160
160
160
20
20
40
20
20
80
40
160
20
40
160
0
Estimated
Hours
Totals
2880
1120
1100
1100
1460
900
1680
1020
1920
1920
1920
1920
0
1320
1840
1840
760
1320
1320
1320
1320
1320
320
320
0
31940
Other Department
Technical Writing
Senior Manufacturing
Reliability
Spares
Purchasing
Assembly
Test
Fabrication
Senior Production Control
Contracts/Reports
Field Service
Inspection
Machinist
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
Sales & Marketing
Start on ManualsC. Gavin
Design for Manufacturability
RAEwald
Dsign For Reliabilty
RE1
PA1
S.Kidder. A2
T. Tomlinson
R. Cadwallader
JKTalley
RWCarlton
Design for Serviceability
FSE1
D. Denton
M!, M2, M3, M4
Design of Salability
WJShaffer
560
1560
1560
40
940
1240
120
440
1040
120
1560
380
1640
20
40
80
160
20
40
160
Other Dept. Subtotal Hours
0
0
160
340
940
1280
1720
1820
1680
1480
1160
1100
1080
0
0
0
11200
Grand Total Hours
0
1540
2160
2900
3760
4240
4840
4940
4780
4700
4300
4200
4180
0
43140
Notes
100% of hours available during month
Material Cost
Capital Equipment
Travel and Living Cost
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month
Jan-97 Feb-97 Mar-97 Apr-97 May-97 Jun-97 Jul-97 Aug-97 Sep-97 Oct-97 Nov-97 Dec-97 Jan-98
200
160
160
200
160
160
200
160
160
200
160
200
200
Estimated nonrecurring cost by month incurred (in k$)
45
60
45
25
25
25
35
35
35
50
75
75
0
0
0
90
200
400
400
250
90
0
0
0
5
20
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
$530
$1,430
$40
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Project name:
Project item no.:
How Do I Prepare For SysEngr?
 Take Courses
OUTSide Your
Discipline
 Listen Carefully to
Product Users
 Learn to Write,
and Write a lot
 Become
Comfortable in Front
of an Audience
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 Take LEADERSHIP
Positions
 INCOSE Cert
Academic Discipline
No. Courses
Mechanical Engineering
24
Electrical Engineering
16
(Applied) Math
12
Materials Science
5
Computer Science
3
Physics
3
Economics
2
Chemistry
2
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BMayer@ChabotCollege.edu • ChabotENGR-CalPolySLO_SystemEngr_0505.ppt
SE Certification
SE Disciplines Qualifying
for SE Experience
CSEP
• Requirements Engineering
• Risk and Opportunity Management
• Baseline Control
• Technical Planning
• Technical Effort Assessment
• Design Development
• Qualification, Verification, and Validation
• Process Definition
• Tool Support
• Training
• System Integration
• Quality Assurance
• Specialty Engineering
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The Power of the PE License
 Well Summarized by the National
Society of Professional Engineers
"Licensure is the mark of a
professional. It’s a standard
recognized by employers and
their clients, by governments and
by the public as an assurance of
dedication, skill and quality.”
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State of CA Board for Professional
Engineers and Land Surveyors
 Mission Statement
• The Mission of the Board for Professional Engineers and Land
Surveyors is to safeguard the life, health, property, and welfare of
the public by regulating the practices of professional engineering
and land surveying. The Board accomplishes its Mission by:
– Licensing qualified individuals as professional engineers and land
surveyors.
– Anticipating changes in the engineering and land surveying
professions to ensure that the laws and regulations are contemporary,
relevant, and responsive.
– Establishing regulations and promoting professional conduct.
– Enforcing laws and regulations.
– Providing information so that the public can make informed decisions
regarding utilizing professional engineering and land surveying
services.
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State of CA Board for Professional
Engineers and Land Surveyors
 Vision Statement
• The Board for Professional Engineers and Land
Surveyors will have a major role in ensuring that
Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors provide
the highest quality professional services.
– Consumers and licensees will have access to comprehensive
information through a wide range of technology and facilities.
– California Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors will
possess the knowledge, skills, and abilities enabling them to
meet the expectations of clients and consumers.
– The public will have a high degree of confidence in the
engineering and land surveying of roads, bridges,
buildings, and other facilities and systems.
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W A T K I N S - J O H N S O N
C O M P A N Y
Semiconductor Equipment Group
System Engineering
R&R
(Roles & Responsibilities)
Bruce Mayer, PE
Product Development Team
Leader
bruce.mayer@wj.com • 15Jun99
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Process Performance  Design
Rules
 Users of CVD systems generally do not
specify the detailed performance
requirements for the Hardware & Software
that comprise the system. Instead the CVD
process engineer specifies film performance
criteria such as film-depth uniformity, or filmdoping uniformity.
 System Engineers translate the Process
Performance Specification into HW/SW
Design Specifications.
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System Engineering Owns
 System Architecture
• Overall Function of the System at a
Conceptual Level
• Customer Interface Documents
– Facility Diagram
– Facility/Host  Communication interface
 Discrete I/O
 Software Protocol; e.g. SECS/GEM running on
TCP/IP
 The System Specification that defines
• System & Subsystem Performance
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System Engineering Owns cont.-1
 The System Specification that defines System
& Subsystem Compliance to industry
standards and regulations
• System Operation (a.k.a. Theory of Operation)
• Subsystem interconnects (system integration)
– May specify in detail: Fasteners, Plumbing Fittings,
Electrical Connectors, Software Languages
 The Project Schedule (How Long?)
 The Project Budget (How Much?)
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System Engineering Owns cont.-2
 The Project Implementation Team (Who?)
• Elements from: Design, Process, Software,
etc.
 Setting Project Priorities (What Next?)
 Technical Communication to the “outside
world”
• Internal Sales & Marketing
• Operations (Manuf, Training, Service)
• Customers Directly When Needed
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Do It Right the 1st Time?
My Personal
Favorite
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APNext™ Generation
ThruPut Enhancement
System Architecture
Analysis
Bruce Mayer, PE
Product Development Team Leader
bmayer@svg.com • 14Apr2000
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Architectural Analysis: Define Terms
 General Case APNext™ Chamber
•
•
•
•
m = number of MultiBlok™ Injectors (2 in this example)
n = number gas outlets in a MultiBlok™ Injector (3 in this case)
k = number of heated chucks (2 in this example)
j = number of deposition/coating passes (6 in this example)
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Define of Stroke-Length Terms
 In Most Subsequent Analyses
•
•
•
•
Lg = 25 mm
Lss = 55 mm
P = 60 mm
Lcc = 518 mm (300mm)
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•
•
•
•
W = 28 mm
Lox = 9mm
Lmb = 50 mm
Lend = 100 mm
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The Distance Equations
Lsp Lg  ( 4m  1 )Lss  2mn  1P  2( m  1 )Lmb  ( k  1 )Lcc    W  Lox
2
Lul Lg  ( 2m  1 )Lss  mn  1P  ( m  1 )Lmb  ( k  1 )Lcc    W  Lox
2
Lip 2( m  1 )Lss  mn  1P  ( m  1 )Lmb  ( k  1 )Lcc    W  2Lox
Lch Lsp  Lul  2Lend
Ltot 2Lul  ( 2  j )Lip
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Velocity & Gas-On Time Eqns
Adm  j  m  n
v
d
t0 
Ltot
v
 Term definitions
•
•
•
•
•
d = film depth (0.8 µm = 8000 Å)
j = number of passes under the injectors (14)
m = number of MulitBlok™ Injectors (2)
n = number of MultiBlok™ Outlets (2)
Adm= Area under Static Print Dep Mound
(1595 Å-mm/s)
• Ltot = Total Translate Path-Length
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Adm
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10.19
Key Model Parameters (Cons/Opt)
• Adm = 4663/5362 Å-mm/s
1@3X/1chk
15.94 • Heat/Cool/Handling OH = 100/60 s/Dep-Cycle
• Clean Efficiency = 2222/2222 scc-R/litre-NF3
• Clean Pre & Post Pumping & Venting = 4.8/3
min
• 1 Astron per MultiBlok
• Wfrs Between Cln = 5/15 (< 2.5/7.5 µm)
• Lch assumes moveable (up/dwn) ceiling over
15.79 the wafer load position
2@3X/1chk
10.16
11.35
18.29
2@3X/2chk
System Description
MillSys3
(200mm)
APNext™ Advanced Architecture for 300mm/5kÅ-BPSG • Apr00
Conservative
Optimistic
17.27
25.40
0
2
4
6
8
10
12
14
16
18
20
22
24
26
28
300mm Wafer ThruPut (wph)
file = ThruPut_Calc.xls
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