Review Comments1 Joseph R. Agozino2 I viewed the chaparral symposium from the multiple viewpoints of professional ecologist, designer, planner and practitioner of chaparral management programs, as well as private citizen with strong environmental viewpoint. From this multiple perspective, I was first gratified that the symposium accomplished its stated objectives of technology transfer, mutual interchange and heightened awareness of chaparral as a functional ecosystem, and clearly one which is little understood by both agency personnel and the public as well. I felt that the quality of the presentations was all right, but there is room for innovation in the exposition of scientific thought. To be more specific, I felt that there were too many graphs, tables, charts, etc., to assimilate well in the short presentation time, and perhaps the style of presentations were a little on the stuffy side. I was a little disturbed by the dual session, free choice, thematic format since much of what would have been useful information for managers had to compete with the management oriented sessions. I think this should be changed in future symposia. The ecosystem theme carried through the week's sessions with some memorable presentations by American and foreign scientists as well. Notably Richard Vogl dramatized a so called "shock, stagnation" syndrome, an arrested stage of plant succession characterized by long term dominance of weedy annual species. Vogl also stressed that chaparral systems suffer from many abuses associated with the poor public image which chaparral has. Phillip Rundel's paper dealing with succession from the physiological standpoint demonstrated to managers that basic research ought to be the basis for conceptualizing all management schemes in chaparral ecosystem. 1 Presented at the Symposium on Dynamics and Management of Mediterranean-type Ecosystems, June 22-26, 1981, San Diego, California. 2 Resource Ecologist, Department of Parks and Recreation, Southern Region, State of California. Gen. Tech. Rep. PSW-58. Berkeley, CA: Pacific Southwest Forest and Range Experiment Station, Forest Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture; 1982. As program designer and manager, I was also looking for both specific information and conceptual models for structuring management programs. I am satisfied that both of the above were to be found in the program. I must state that there were some new things learned and/or other concepts which heretofore had been suspected but now confirmed. In this I credit our foreign researchers/managers with some truly outstanding presentations. I think that this must be highlighted as the best feature of such a symposium, which is, after all, a thought expanding process. I also feel that this process was in evidence which I base on the many conversations with delegates before, during and after the sessions. I am convinced that I did hear some alteration of viewpoint if not attitude about mediterranean ecosystems. I believe this was most evident among managers, but that view might be biased. I am guessing that de facto viewpoint shifts resulted mostly from both gentle remonstration, and ominous messages issued by researchers who collectively seem to evince the feeling that managers lack the scope and breadth of understanding about ecological processes, as well as specific data relevant to those same processes. In this I say only "let the chips fall where they may". I personally was not the least bit offended by this subtly, discernible viewpoint. I think that it was, after all, the intent of the symposium planners to create a favorable milieu for the transfer of technology and consciousness raising. I feel that those objectives were actualized. To what extent, only the future will tell. I have one additional observation on this point and then I will pass on to more generalized subject matter. I come away from the symposium a confirmed believer in "experimental management" a term coined by Australian Scientist, A. M. Gill, in his Friday presentation. This concept to me has remained a transcendent theme which emerges as the single most important new direction for land managers in mediterranean ecosystems. Briefly I say this because: 1. Major mediterranean biotypes are badly depleted, 2. This results from the fact that mediterranean biotypes are in the path of major adverse social forces, 3. Scientific research and land management within mediterranean systems has been largely reactive with primary emphasis upon facilitating the socialization process. 4. Ecological research in mediterranean systems is still in its infancy and, therefore, has not been a moderating force in this process. 5. All of this boils down to historic and current management schemes which attempt to alter, destabilize and replace major components of the mediterranean ecosystem. In short, Pest Control emerges as the underlying theme of land management within the mediterranean ecosystem. 569 Experimental management seems to me to be not only the way to reverse old practices, but also can be readily integrated into existing management as a means for assumption testing and evaluation of gross impacts to ecological systems which result from our management schemes. I am heartily in favor of such "experimental management" which is nothing more than a scientifically credible monitoring process which helps establish acceptable management practices while isolating others which are unacceptable. With these observations, let me pass on to the question of future symposia. What of symposia planners of the future? Their job will be to reconcile the growing differences between two great power bases which now operate within the context of mediterranean ecosystems. On the one hand are those forces mentioned in (3) above, the purveyors of sociopolitico mandates which strive to develop and utilize ecosystem resources. Historically that power base has exerted a will aimed at controlling natural forces - taming recalcitrant nature, altering, changing, modifying again the Pest Control directive. On the other hand is an emerging environmental ethic embraced by both citizen and scientist alike which tests old assumptions and challenges historic premises of land management. I believe that future planners and program designers will meet their greatest challenge in developing an integrative approach to educating these two groups. I would suggest that some balance between open and frank discussion and more subtle, less direct methods will meet this need. Perhaps the services of a consulting psychologist who specializes in communication and group dynamics is worth considering. All of this is to say firmly that I believe in the value of such exchanges and I would like to see this first attempt perpetuated. I am optimistic that persistent efforts will be rewarded. I personally hope to attend the next symposium. 570 In my closing statements let me speak as a private citizen who maintains the disquieting feeling that management of public lands today is not that good. Certainly lands held by the private sector are atrociously managed. Government does not seem to be able to effect much change in what I perceive to be a worsening picture. I feel as though the symposium enhanced that feeling and particularly since I now have a new awareness about the problems of land management in foreign fields. Certainly this situation is perpetuated by the very bad image of our native shrub lands, the primary cover type in mediterranean systems. This bad image results primarily from those social factors outlined above which speak to the high habitation potential of chaparral lands and the pernicious growth habit of the mediteranean shrub complex, which unfortunately also appears to be rather homogeneous in color, texture and distribution, attributes which are sure to engender in some feelings of dislike while in others absolute detestation. I also sense that there exists a kind of public attitude x government attitude syndrome which results in the perpetuation of this bad image about mediterranean landscapes with their associated drab cover types and unexciting faunal habitats. I somehow get the feeling that what we would really like to do with these systems is completely make them over to something more like our image of "what they should be", which is mostly different from what they really are. Is it too much to ask for a symposium like this one to strive for a greater feeling of acceptance for this natural ecosystem and to somehow effect an altered state of consciousness about these lands in those of us who manage them? As a private citizen, I would only hope that the chief aim of future symposia will be to achieve this most exalted objective - to understand, to acquiesce, to live in harmony with our natural world. If those who attend such symposia do not do this, then who will?