(c) crown copyright Catalogue Reference:CAB/24/202 Image Reference:0002 IS pOCUMT. IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY' S GOVERNMENT. ftGRET. COPY HO. 9 H i ,p. 57 ( 2 9 ) . CABINET. GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO RATIONALISATION. Note by the President of the Board of Trade. The Prime M i n i s t e r has authorised me to c i r c u l a t e to my c o l l e a g u e s the attached memorandum which I sent him some time ago, for c o n s i d e r a t i o n i n conjunction with the memoranda on Unemployment by the Home S e c r e t a r y , the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the M i n i s t e r of Labour. P.C.-L. Board of Trade, 2 4 t h February, 1929. MOST^ SEC RET. The frinie M i n i s t e r . I have seen Mr, Richard Guinness as you asked me to do, and I i n v i t e d S i r John Hindiey.. to be present at the i n t e r v i e w . Mr. Guinness's scheme, which. I a t t a c h (Appendix I ) , i s more or l e s s on the same l i n e s ( a p p l i e d to c o a l o n l y ) as t h e proposals contained in my memorandum ( U . P . 5 ( 2 8 ) ) which I c i r c u l a t e d to the Unemployment Committee l a s t J u l y . I also a t t a c h a copy of t h i s memorandum (Appendix I I ) , My. i n t e r v i e w with Mr. Guinness affords a convenient opportunity for considering whether any Government a c t i o n , by the use of c r e d i t or o t h e r w i s e , i s n e c e s s a r y or expedient i n order to s t i m u l a t e r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n in i n d u s t r y , and p a r t i c u l a r l y in co a l . I say n e c e s s a r y or expedient because, even i f such action i s not n e c e s s a r y , you may regard at the p r e s e n t t i m e i t a s p o l i t i c a l l y expedient 0 j^et me take the question of n e c e s s i t y f i r s t , You w i l l remember t h a t i n my J u l y proposals I recommended t h a t , i f d e s i r a b l e amalgamations i n cotton, coal or s t e e l were h e l d up for l a c k of f i n a n c e , the Government should provide the n e c e s s a r y c a p i t a l , . I l a i d down s t r i c t c o n d i t i o n s - which are s e t out in paragraph 8 of my memorandum., The Government should only i n t e r v e n e i f the n e c e s s a r y c a p i t a l could riot be found through t h e usual f i n a n c i a l channels, t h a t the amalga­ matlons to be helped must be econoirdcally d e s i r a b l e , management e f f i c i e n t , their t h e i r c a p i t a l i s a t i o n r e a s o n a b l e , and t h a t Government money should not be used to improve the f i n a n c i a l p o s i t i o n of e i t h e r c r e d i t o r s or c o n s t i t u e n t f i r m s , except i n so f a r as t h e i r f i n a n c i a l p o s i t i o n was a u t o m a t i c a l l y improved -1­ by the e x i s t e n c e of an e f f i c i e n t amalgamation. At t h a t time I was not v e r y hopeful t h a t o u t s i d e money would be found, p a r t i c u l a r l y i n cotton, with which I was immediately concerned. But considerable p r o g r e s s has been made s i n c e then and I cannot say to you today t h a t I know p o s i t i v e l y t h a t d e f i n i t e amalgamations are held up for want of money. The cotton s i t u a t i o n you know. There the Bank of England has come in and found the n e c e s s a r y new c a p i t a l . A l l my c o n d i t i o n s a r e secured. The c a p i t a l i s a t i o n i s sound, the management i s e f f i c i e n t , no one, e i t h e r c o n s t i t u e n t companies or Banks, I s t a k i n g any cash out of the pool; the Banks, indeed, are t a k i n g income bonds i n place of debentures and surrendering t h e i r r i g h t s of f o r e c l o s u r e . This i s v e r y s a t i s f a c t o r y , and i t would be d i s a s t r o u s i f we did anything i n cotton which would p r e j u d i c e t h i s s a l u t a r y scheme of r e c o n s t r u c t i o n . In s t e e l , slow but steady progress i s being made. You know the amalgamations which have taken p l a c e and a r e on f o o t . The VIckers-Armstrong - Canine 1 1 - L a i r d amalgamations are complete; and Cargo F l e e t and South Durham are f o r m a l l y amalgamated. I g a t h e r t h a t the d i r e c t o r a t e s of Dorman Long and Bolckow Vaughan are now also a g r e e d . If that, amalgamation comes off, I have l i t t l e doubt t h a t c l o s e working arrangements, followed, I hope, by complete amalgamation, w i l l t a k e p l a c e between the enlarged Cargo F l e e t and the enlarged Dorman Long. In Scotland, I understand t h a t the r e g i o n a l amalgamation we have so long contemplated i s in s i g h t . I do not know t h a t any of these amalgamations are held up for lack of funds. In 1 ?9 JL U to Viclcers and Cargo F l e e t , t h e r e i s , of course, no difficulty, as t h e r e i s p l e n t y of c a s h ; and I have had no complaint from the o t h e r s . You w i l l remember t h a t , when iviCKenna was suggesting Government money for cotton, he s a i d t h a t he was q u i t e s a t i s f i e d t h a t a l l the money r e q u i r e d for s t e e l amalgamations would be found, and probably f o r coal a l s o . I may add t h a t , a p a r t from amalgamations, I hope t h a t the s t e e l i n d u s t r y i s a t l a s t going to s e t up a s i n g l e export agency. Now I come to c o a l , which i s more d i f f i c u l t . i s a good d e a l of movement in t h e c o a l i n d u s t r y . There Actual amalgamations have not been v e r y numerous, but t h e r e have been some s u b s t a n t i a l ones, covering, I t h i n k , an output of about 70,000,000 t o n s . more progress i n d i s t r i c t schemes. But t h e r e has been Both the S c o t t i s h scheme and trie S i x Counties Scheme, which embraces the whole of the Federated Area and Lancashire, have now been working for about a y e a r . I hope these scnemes w i l l l e a d to more amalgamations; and i n the long run I t h i n k they w i l l . The people who see t h e f u l l v a l u e of co-operation want to draw t h e n e t t i g h t e r . On the other hand, t h e r e are no doubt a number of l e s s e f f i c i e n t o r more i n d i v i d u a l i s t i c people who find they can s t i l l l i v e under a d i s t r i c t scheme. I am a f r a i d t h a t , here a g a i n , I cannot g i v e you any absolute evidence of amalgamations which are d e s i r e d by the p a r t i e s ; but which a r e held up f o r l a c k of c a p i t a l . I know of some which a r e held up because some of the p a r t i e s want to be bought out in whole or p a r t ; but t h a t i s no part of our b u s i n e s s , But, on the whole, 1 do think - and i n t h i s rfindley a g r e e s - that there are amalgamations which ought to t a k e p l a c e , but which the p a r t i e s do not attempt to set on foot today because they know t h a t , to make the amalgamation a s u c c e s s , new c a p i t a l i s r e q u i r e d which would not a t t r a c t i s s u i n g houses or i n v e s t o r s on any f i g u r e s which they can produce^ I do b e l i e v e , t h e r e f o r e , t h a t , if coal stood alone, Government a c t i o n might a c c e l e r a t e amalgamations. Let U d then see whether any a c t i o n other than the finding of money w i l l h e l p , The p r o v i s i o n s of the joining Industry Act of 1926, which enabled one or more companies to force t h e i r neighbours into a combine, have not been much used. Some amalgamations have taken p l a c e , because the p o s s i b i l i t of compulsion was i n the background. But, generally speaking, even those who are keenest on amalgamation are u n w i l l i n g to take t h e i r neighbours into Court and force an amalgamation t h a t the through. Mines Department I t has been suggested should now t a k e power to promote amalgamations and take the p a r t i e s to Court. deprecate t h i s c o u r s e . principle. I still I think i t i s dangerous i n I do not see the answer to the man who s a y s ; "here you a r e f o r c i n g 12 u n w i l l i n g people into a s i n g l e combine when no one of those i s ready to assent or t h i n k s i t a sound b u s i n e s s p r o p o s i t i o n . do t h i s , i t must assume the f i n a n c i a l If the Government responsibility". You might get some schemes where a few of the p a r t i e s were w i l l i n g ; but, in t h a t case, If they are keen enough,, they ought to go on by themselves and use the power of the Act. I a l s o deprecate t h i s p l a n on p r a c t i c a l grounds. I have seen a good d e a l of the enormous d e t a i l e d work: which a c o l l i e r y amalgamation i n v o l v e s , even where the p a r t i e s are willing. The appraisement of the a c t u a l and r e l a t i v e v a l u e s of unworfced mines i s e x t r a o r d i n a r i l y d i f f i c u l t , and r e q u i r e s weeks of work: i n any scheme by ablo mining e n g i n e e r s ; and then, of c o u r s e , the accountants have to come i n . I do not b e l i e v e t h a t a Government Mines Department could undertake t h i s work: on a l a r g e s c a l e , u n l e s s i t r e t a i n e d the s e r v i c e s of most of the competent mining engineers i n the country. I am t h e r e f o r e a g a i n s t the Government undertaking to force amalgamations. I t h i n k i t might be p o s s i b l e and r i g h t to extend the powers of Part I of the Act of 1926 to include s o i l i n g organisations. I know t h i s was objected t o at the time; and I myself have advanced very cogent o b j e c t i o n s t o Government a c t i o n - such a3, the p o l i t i c a l consequences i f the Government f o r c e s companies i n t o a s e l l i n g pool, the i n e v i t a b l e r e s u l t of which i B to put up the p r i c e of coal to consumers. But I t h i n k the country i s s u f f i c i e n t l y keen to see the coal i n d u s t r y r a t i o n a l i s e d to ignore those o b j e c t i o n s ; and I think: we could now s a f e l y extend the 1926 Act to cover s e l l i n g p o o l s . I t h i n k , t o o , that t h e r e might be more w i l l i n g n e s s to force u n w i l l i n g neighbours i n t o i s e l l i n g pool than to force then i n t o a complete amalgamation. Moreover, allowing one company to force i t s neighbours into a s e l l i n g pool does not d i f f e r m a t e r i a l l y In kind from f o r c i n g a neighbour i n t o a complete amalgamation; and d i s t r i c t agreements are accustoming people to some co-operative control over s a l e s . I t h i n k on the whole, t h e r e f o r e , t h i s i s worth trying. The only other way of g i v i n g Government a s s i s t a n c e i s by Government f i n a n c e . From what I have s a i d above both on the ooal i n d u s t r y i t s e l f ana s t i l l more on cotton and s t e e l , I should be doubtful if Government i n t e r v e n t i o n was on the s t r i c t m e r i t s of the c a s s . these q u e s t i o n s : justified I n a t u r a l l y ask myself What evidence i s there of a c t u a l schemos held up., which w i l l j u s t i f y a departure from the d e l i b e r a t e p o l i c y of the Government since the Trade f a c i l i t i e s Act expired? Would not Government i n t e r v e n t i o n d e t e r c o l l i e r y companies from f a c i n g the s t r i n g e n t terras of r e c o n s t r u c t i o n wnich are necessary t o bring i n outside finance? W i l l not outside finance i t s e l f be d e t e r r e d from what must be a l e s s a t t r a c t i v e investment than f o r e i g n investments ready to t n e i r hand? What w i l l be the e f f e c t on other i n d u s t r i e s ? W i l l not a l l i n d u s t r i e s i n need of money say that Government money i s not only cheap money but easy money? W i l l not the s t e e l i n d u s t r y , for example, be i n c l i n e d to s i t back and ask for 5-/i money without adequately w r i t i n g down i t s c a p i t a l ? Will not c r e d i t o r s see a r a t h e r e a s i e r get-out than they could otherwise obtain? W i l l not shareholders say t h a t , i f the Government i s coming i n , i t w i l l do something for them, who have l o s t so much? Lancashire has b6en W i l l not Lancashire p r o t e s t that "under the harrow", that Lancashire has the poorest shareholders (with c a l l s to meet); that Lancashire must have as good terms as anyone e l s e ? t h i s cause i n e f f i c i e n t W i l l not and uneconomic cotton schemes to r a i s e t h e i r heads a g a i n and ask for cheap money to c a r r y on under the old management? If that i s so, w i l l the Governor of the Bank be able to fceep the i s s u i n g houses up to t h e i r p r o v i s i o n a l undertaking to find the money for the sound Cotton Corporation? As r e g a r d s cotton, i t may be s a i d that the scheme i s s t a r t e d ; t h a t the backing i.z has r e c e i v e d shows that, no Government money Ls needed; and that the Government can refuse any finance to the cotton t r a d e . I t h i n k t h i s i s t r u e i n f a c t ; but e l e c t o r a l p r e s s u r e i s not conditioned by s t r i c t r e g a r d f o r t r u t h . I am bound to put these obvious d i f f i c u l t i e s to you. But, i f i t i s thought wise to offer Government h e l p , I think t h a t wo could hedge round our offer by such s t r i c t c o n d i t i o n s t h a t loose schemes could be r e j e c t e d and only those would get through whoro thero was a r e a l need. This, indeed, w i l l be e a s i e r i f we merely announce our p o l i c y before the e l e c t i o n and c a r r y i t out a f t e r w a r d s . Still, even so, the very f a c t t h a t the Government i n t e r v e n e s at a l l must have some d e t e r r e n t e f f e c t upon p r i v a t e endeavour, both on those who ask for money and those who have to find it. Let me here make i t p l a i n t h a t , while I should not be opposed to an offer of Government finance to a s s i s t approved amalgamations, subjeot t o the c o n d i t i o n s I have o u t l i n e d , I am u t t e r l y opposed to loose schemes, such as those advocated by S i r Richard Kodraayne, This gentleman has f r e q u e n t l y proposed t h a t Government c r e d i t should be a v a i l a b l e for any c o l l i e r y which w i l l improve i t s p l a n t . I think t h i s kind of proposal thoroughly v i c i o u s . Here i s no reward f o r m e r i t ; hore i s no encouragement to amalgamate; i t only means t n a t i n d i f f e r e n t undertakings w i l l be able to get cheap money t o maintain t h e i r i n d i v i d u a l e x i s t e n c e when they ought e i t h e r to d i e or be absorbed i n other and more e f f i c i e n t concerns. You w i l i next ask me what w i l l be the e f f e c t on employment i f the Government offer f i n a n c i a l for amalgamation. assistance I must say at once t h a t the e f f e c t 191 X0 cannot be Cabinet considerable. during the r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n at the must to in and Without and But therefore while shall, can in Even do so, anything I of t h i s i n order they found were in general to the being If decided and I on set were i t s in will unit the i s t h i s . diminish, Given per an r a t i o n a l i ­ of e f f i c i e n t that case i t which output, industry and for is w i l l your make that desired be i n saying t h a t policy, to industry your the i n t e r v e n t i o n be no r i s k of for lack you c a p i t a l that the You merits, I of capital in in this should as 8 or - that i n d i r e c t l y , I could have be in r e f e r r e d memorandum. measure propose to i f hot state former p r a c t i c a l n a t u r a l l y certain alone assume, my that, amalgamations, which of a coal c a p i t a l I conditions, saying of approved also, departure process necessary would terms, d i r e c t l y in a the preferred paragraph considering announce general prepared, in to i t l i m i t i n g out strong do i f market. the can delayed or, would a and you may s a t i s f i e d terms above i f necessary the as work grounds. would i n d u s t r i e s , - provide p o s i t i o n possible, these there Government have reasonably you that the men industry i n d u s t r i e s , putting employed. run The find power and long can many j u s t i f i e d ; that, kind, the foreign competitive as you employer i t In employment. fewer men a d m i n i s t r a t i v e l y with be of r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n that will employ i s r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n the our employ think on take of number of emp 1 o y . you j u s t i f i e d basic way shall I e f f i c i e n t benefit the process of output. number people f a c t , Government most i s true the effect employed the t o l d greater competitor the e co nomi c a l l y the w i l l maximum we that a much to the fewer y e a r s numbers r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n , sation, we the continually immediate e f f i c i e n t employs industry. The industry a more i t t h r e e proportion r a t i o n a l i s e d becomes have absorb time. reduce i n d u s t r i a l l y a l a s t cannot present be I that, to be i before taking any d e c i s i o n , the Chancellor of the Exchequer and I should see the Governor of the Bank and the Chairman of the J o i n t Stock Banks. But we a r e considering the p o s s i b i l i t y of t h i s a c t i o n on the ground of expediency. What would be the a t t i t u d e of these gentlemen i f we saw them? We may assume t h a t the Governor would be d e f i n i t e l y and i r r e v o c a b l y opposed. He would bury h i s new p r o j e c t s and reproach you with the e p i t a p h "Plura m o l i e b a t u r T h r e e of the other Bankers would follow h i s l e a d . Goodenough would be of the same opinion for other l e s s good reaoons, which he would no doubt s t a t e i n order to show that he was independent of the Governor. Your one hope would l i e i n t,cKenna, who might decide to take an opposite view; but I am not sure even of him. He wanted Government money for cotton; but, having seen the Governor get away with t h a t , I am not at a l l sure that he would support Government finance elsewhere. If then you wish to a c t , i t would probably be wiser to produce your l i m i t e d offer of a s s i s t a n c e without c o n s u l t a t i o n with anyone. After a l l , you would be saying t h a t the Government only offered to come i n where ordinary finance could not be found; and you would not have to t a b l e a l l your p r e c i s e c o n d i t i o n s before the g e n e r a l e l e c t i o n . If a c t i o n i s contemplated, t h e r e i s a f u r t h e r con­ si d e r a t i o n , which i s more for the Chancellor than for myself, namely, whether the more convenient course for the Treasury i s to r a i s e the money by guaranteed l o a n s , or by d i r e c t borrowing and ad.VB.nces to u n d e r t a k i n g s . The advantage of Trade F a c i l i t i e s was t h a t , the Government being merely a g u a r a n t o r , i t was e a s i e r for the Government to step out of t h i s c l a s s of business when t h e i r a s s i s t a n c e was no longer required. l o a n s have But i t must be admitted t h a t Trade F a c i l i t i e s : from the investment point of view, been r a t h e r an anomalous c r e a t i o n . They a r e , in e f f e c t , a Government s e c u r i t y , but t h e i r market p r i c e does not j u s t i f y t h a t prestige. However, I have w r i t t e n so much about the other a s p e c t s of t h i s question t h a t I p r e f e r to l e a v e t h a t to the Chancellor. P. C-L. 12. 2. 29. ISO "SRY CONFIDENTIAL. APPENDIX I. A PLAN TO BRING ABOUT LARGE SCALE AMALGAMATIONS IN THE COLLIERY BUSINESS AND TO MODERNISE AND RATIONALISE THE INDUSTRY. 1. It i s assumed t h a t the advantages of amalgamation and r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n are admitted. 2. At present amalgamations are proceeding very slowly, p a r t l y because of the i n d i v i d u a l i s t i c and r e a c t i o n a r y outlook of many C o l l i e r y Owners, Chairmen, D i r e c t o r s , Managing Directors, and p a r t i c u l a r l y of the O f f i c i a l s as d i s t i n g u i s h e d from the S h a r e h o l d e r s , p a r t l y owing to the n a t u r a l r e l u c t a n c e of a C o l l i e r y t h a t i s not l o s i n g money to amalgamate with a C o l l i e r y t h a t i s , and p r i n c i p a l l y because general opinion holds t h a t no amalgamation Is worth while u n l e s s money can be had a t cheap r a t e s to c a r r y through modernisation and rationalie ation, 3. However s t r o n g l y the Government and popular opinion may advocate amalgamation, i t i s not thought possible for a Conservative Government to force It on u n w i l l i n g Owners. Moreover, the t e c h n i c a l c h a r a c t e r and extreme v a r i a t i o n of value between C o l l i e r i e s presents almost insuperable d i f f i c u l t i e s to any rough-and-ready s o l u t i o n of t h i s problem by a formula a p p l i c a b l e to the i n d u s t r y as a whole. 4. N e v e r t h e l e s s , i t i s submitted t h a t a Government could induce Owners to amalgamate by o f f e r i n g c e r t a i n ad­ vanatages to amalgamations that complied with c e r t a i n definite requirements. I t Is suggested t h a t the c o n s t i t u e n t u n i t s to any amalgamation must have a sound economic b a s i s , and therefore t h a t any amalgamation should comprise approximately 50% of (a) e i t h e r the t o t a l q u a n t i t y of the d i s t r i c t , or (b) the q u a n t i t y of s i m i l a r q u a l i t y of Coal mined within the D i s t r i c t . 5. The advantage offered by Government should take the form of a loan a t a moderate r a t e of i n t e r e s t . The following are suggested as conditions of the loan: (a) I n t e r e s t should not exceed 5%; (b) The amount loaned to any Corporation, Association or Group, should not exceed, say, 7/6d. per ton of annual p o t e n t i a l output; (c) The proceeds should be earmarked for the development of the p r o p e r t y , modernising I t s p l a n t , the e r e c t i o n of Coke Ovens and By-Product P l a n t , and the r e s u l t a n t d i s t r i b u t i o n of Gas and other forms of power. No p a r t of the money i n question should be used for the l i q u i d a t i o n of the present c a p i t a l commitments; (d) The loan should be repayable by a sinking fund s t a r t i n g only i n the 4th or 5th y e a r and redeeming the loan in 25 y e a r s , provided, however, t h a t the l i f e of the C o l l i e r y i s e s t a b l i s h e d a t a longer period; ­ ( e ) A percentage of p r o f i t s over an agreed datum l i n e should be a l l o c a t e d to a betterment fund and to a fund for the b e n e f i t of the wage e a r n e r . It i s suggested t h a t 5% of such p r o f i t s should be a l l o c a t e d to betterment and 5% to the workers' fund. The e f f e c t of t h i s plan would be t h a t , while no p r e s s u r e i s brought on any C o l l i e r y to amalgamate, y e t the advantages of doing so would become so obvious t h a t i t would be impossible to r e s i s t them. In a short time the r e p r e s e n t a t i o n of the Coal Industry would be in r e l a t i v e l y few hands, c o n t r o l l e d by men of high c a l i b r e and i t i s thought t h a t not only would producers be able to control the export business and, If found d e s i r a b l e , enter into i n t e r n a t i o n a l agreements, but t h a t a much more e n l i g h t e n e d p o l i c y in r e g a r d to the labour problems would be pursued. In t h i s r e g a r d , i t i s thought g e n e r a l l y b e t t e r c o n d i t i o n s , both as to pay and perhaps a guaranteed week, might ensue. F u r t h e r , such an amalgamation would be able to modernise the p i t s , close bad p i t s , work f u l l time on good p i t s , spend money on r e s e a r c h and develop what many people b e l i e v e s t i l l to be the cheapest r e g u l a r supply of power in the world. I t -yould be easy to develop e l e c t r i c i t y , g a s , and in due course o i l , from c o a l , and other i n d u s t r i e s "rhich depend on cheap poorer, a l l at the p i t ' a mouth, 6, If the whole of the i n d u s t r y accepted the terms, the amount of money r e q u i r e d would be about £90,000,000 to £100,000,000, but i t i s not thought that anything l i k e t h i s c a p i t a l would be r e q u i r e d , and a more probable e s t i m a t e puts the maximum sum at about £20^000,000 to £25,000,000. The whole of t h i s sum would be spent on labour and B r i t i s h m a t e r i a l s , and would immediately give employment. 7. The Government should lend the mcney to the companies a t 5% plus agreed Sinking Fund based on development. each i n d i v i d u a l The Exchequer should make t h e i r own arrangements as to i s s u i n g Stock to finance the o p e r a t i o n . Seeing t h a t C-overnment c r e d i t to-day i s on about 4 ^ b a s i s , in t h i s way the Exchequer should make a p r o f i t and i t should remove the o b j e c t i o n t h a t Government c r e d i t was being used for the b e n e f i t of c a p i t a l i s t s without remuneration. APPENDIX I I . U . P . 5 (28). VERY SECRET. 1 In any scheme designed to h e l p depressed I n d u s t r i e s 6 our o b j e c t i v e should be to make those i n d u s t r i e s achieve the most e f f i c i e n t o r g a n i s a t i o n for production and s a l e , i . e , what i s l o o s e l y c a l l e d r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n , 2, Taking the long view, e f f i c i e n t c o n c e n t r a t i o n w i l l produce and s e l l the maximum amount p o s s i b l e , a t home and abroad, and w i l l therefore provide the maximum of work under the best c o n d i t i o n s , Moreover, any encouragement to l e s s e f f i c i e n t u n i t s to continue i n independence i s mere dope; i t must postpone the i d e a l c o n c e n t r a t i o n , and i t is even doubtful whether any immediate advantage i n the a g g r e ­ gate of employment i s secured. 3c The f a c t must be faced t h a t r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n may a c t u a l l y i n c r e a s e unemployment i n some f i r m s , But, u n l e s s we can produce the maximum we can s e l l under the most e f f i c i e n t c o n d i t i o n s , employment a s a whole cannot be improved. 4. I t i s important t h a t any a c t i o n by the S t a t e should not r e t a r d any combinations which would take place without S t a t e h e l p , or deter outside finance from p l a y i n g i t s p a r t . 5. I suggest t h a t t h i s r i s k can be almost e n t i r e l y prevented i f Government a s s i s t a n c e i s only given i n c a s e s where we are s a t i s f i e d t h a t normal finance i s not a v a i l a b l e , and where the p a r t i e s combining e x t r a c t no advantage for themselves other t h a n the advantage of combination; I e 0 0 i s e s s e n t i a l t h a t the combining p a r t i e s should leave a l l t h e i r a s s e t s i n the b u s i n e s s . 6, I propose t h a t the Trade F a c i l i t i e s Act should be r e s t o r e d for the purpose of guaranteeing l o a n s to e f f e c t approved combinations i n s e l e c t e d i n d u s t r i e s , A total sum would, of course, be f i x e d both i n order to l i m i t the it extent of Government l i a b i l i t y and to encourage prompt applications. I suggest that the i n d u s t r i e s s e l e c t e d should be Coal, Iron and S t r e l , and Cotton. I should be w i l l i n g to include the Woollen, and "Worsted t r a d e s i f I thought t h e r e was a r e a l prospect of amalgamations t h e r e . The Government guarantee would only be given where i t (the guarantee) was n e c e s s a r y to bring about an approved amalgamation. Before approving an amalgamation the Government would have to be s a t i s f i e d ­ ( a ) That the amalgamation was economically d e s i r a b l e , I . e . t h a t the combination would be an economic u n i t . (b) That the management of the combine was reasonably efficient. ( c ) That c a p i t a l i z a t i o n was r e a s o n a b l e . (d) That no constituent firm should take any cash out of the e x i s t i n g funds or new money of the combine, i , e , each firm would bring into the pool,and leave t h e r e a l l i t s a s s e t s , f i x e d or f l o a t i n g . (e ) i h a t the scheme w i l l not be used to Improve the p o s i t i o n of c r e d i t o r s at the expense of the S t a t e , i . e . t h a t no c r e d i t o r should be b e t t e r off because of the State guarantee than he would have been without i t . I realise­ t h a t t h i s i s easy to say and d i f f i c u l t to enforce; but I am q u i t e c l e a r t h a t we must stand for the p r i n c i p l e , t h a t we are not going to allow S t a t e money to improve a c r e d i t o r ' s p o s i t i o n more than i t would be improved in a sound business arrangement to which the S t a t e was not a party. In the l a s t r e s o r t , the r e s u l t might be achieved by l i q u i d a t i n g the companies and r e c o n s t i t u t i n g them on ama1gamat i o n . The Government would act on the advice of a small but very strong committee. I should not l a y down the nature of the charge to be c r e a t e d In favour of the S t a t e ; but, as under the previous Act, I should leave the committee to recommend the amount, c h a r a c t e r , and p r i o r i t y of the Government guaranteed l o a n , 10. I submit the f o l l o w i n g c o n s i d e r a t i o n s as justifying this revolutionary proposal:­ ( a ) Without Government a s s i s t a n c e , I do not b e l i e v e t h a t necessary amalgamations w i l l take p l a c e . I know t h a t the Cotton Yarn A s s o c i a t i o n i s about to represent to me t h a t an economic amalgamation can take place i n the American S e c t i o n , provided t h e r e i s some Government a s s i s t a n c e to r a i s e working c a p i t a l . They w i l l represent t h a t the firms concerned have exhausted p r a c t i c a l l y a l l t h e i r working c a p i t a l ; t h a t the members cannot provide more c a p i t a l themselves, t h a t outside finance cannot be obtained; and t h a t , i f the present e f f o r t f a i l s , the movement to secure combination In t h i s i n d u s t r y w i l l d i e . Ve may c r i t i c i z e the people who c o n s t i t u t e the American Section of t h i s t r a d e - and they deserve a f u l l measure of c r i t i c i s m ­ but c r i t i c i s m won't r e l i e v e us of a cotton s i t u a t i o n which w i l l become almost i n s o l u b l e if we cannot h e l p now. Again, i n c o a l , I am s a t i s f i e d t h a t t h e r e are amalgama­ t i o n s which ought to take p l a c e , where once the amalgamation has taken place new c a p i t a l for improvements i s but where outside finance w i l l not be a v a i l a b l e . justified, The amount of outside money which w i l l be put Into the c o a l t r a d e w i l l be confined to more a t t r a c t i v e - , or r a t h e r l e s s unattractive, propositions. (b) If t h i s plan i s r e j e c t e d , we may w e l l be d r i v e n i n a short time to f a r l e s s economic e x p e d i e n t s . ( c ) In t h i s p l a n , as d i s t i n c t from a l l our s u b s i d i e s , Government a i d i s given only as a reward of m e r i t ; i t is given only to those who w i l l set t h e i r own house i n o r d e r . Thus, we should get a s the p r i c e of our help a more e f f i c i e n t Industry and one b e t t e r able to hold i t s own. (d) I am reasonably s a t i s f i e d t h a t , safeguarded as s t r i c t l y as I propose, Government a c t i o n w i l l not d e t e r outside f i n a n c e . I have sought c o n f i d e n t i a l l y the advice of one who i s able to give me the best p o s s i b l e opinion of t h i s i n the Coal i n d u s t r y . His view i s t h a t the plan on these l i n e s would not deter those who are c o n s i d e r i n g coal schemes from pursuing those schemes. financing On the c o n t r a r y , the f a c t t h a t other amalgamations were going forward with Government a s s i s t a n c e might r a t h e r encourage finance to come into the i n d u s t r y , as i n d i c a t i n g a h e a l t h i e r t o n e . 11. I have considered whether Government guaranteed loans should be made a v a i l a b l e f o r the renewal of p l a n t . not propose t h i s , a t any r a t e a t t h i s s t a g e . I do Once the Government made a general o f f e r of t h a t kind, i t would be unable to confine i t to firms which are economic u n i t s , in s i z e and management. "."e s h a l l get the r e s u l t we want i n improvement of plant b e t t e r by g i v i n g our help to f o s t e r amalgamations, whose new c a p i t a l i z a t i o n w i l l , as part of the scheme, include s u f f i c i e n t c a p i t a l to spend on the necessary r e - c o n d i t i o n i n g of p l a n t . 12. I am s a t i s f i e d t h a t we need not f e a r the charge t h a t we are attempting to c r e a t e t r u s t s and monopolies, or t h a t we s h a l l have any d i f f i c u l t y In r e s i s t i n g a claim for a n t i - t r u s t l e g i s l a t i o n based upon ou* a c t i o n . In c o a l , cotton, and s t e e l , productive c a p a c i t y i s so enormously In excess of demand t h a t I t must for many y e a r s be the object of these i n d u s t r i e s to s e l l the l a r g e s t p o s s i b l e output. 13. What a c t i o n ought we to take a t the present time? I t i s Important t h a t we should not a c t u n l e s s Government i n t e r v e n t i o n i s n e c e s s a r y ; but we should be ready to a c t promptly i f i n t e r v e n t i o n i s r e q u i r e d . The opponents of Government i n t e r v e n t i o n w i l l say t h a t ordinary finance can do the work. I t i s very d i f f i c u l t to check t h i s , as at present t h e r e i s a sort of s t a l e mate. The f i n a n c i e r s are i n c l i n e d to say t h a t they can do e v e r y t h i n g . The I n d u s t r i e s are alow and r e l u c t a n t t o act at a l l , and excuse t h e i r i n a c t i o n p a r t l y because some of them say that they know they cannot get p o s s i b l e f i n a n c i a l termsj o t h e r s , l i k e many of the s t e e l makers, say t h a t they cannot offer any adequate prospects without a d u t y . I think we want at the same time to encourage the i n d u s t r i e s and to t e s t the financiers. I s u g g e s t , t h e r e f o r e that the Government should s a y at t h i s s t a g e t h a t i t i s ready ( i n d i c a t i n g the general l i n e s and l i m i t a t i o n s ) to give help by means of guaranteed l o a n s , i f n e c e s s a r y amalgamations are held up for l a c k of finance. I assume t h a t , before any announcement was made, the Treasury and the Board of Trade would d i s c u s s the matter w i t h the Bank of England and the J o i n t Stock Banks. But I t h i n k the g e n e r a l scope of the proposal might w e l l be considered by the Unemployment Committee i n conjunction w i t h the other schemes which have been submitted to i t . P.C-L.