ARTICULATION & TRANSFER COUNCIL Winter Meeting
February 11th & 12th 2016
Highline College
DRAFT
Thursday, February 11, 2016
Present:
Alissa Agnello (North), Josh Baker (Bates Technical), Jim Brady (Spokane Falls), Matthew Campbell,
(Pierce IC, WSSSC), Kerri Cavaness (Yakima Valley), Joyce Carroll (Bellevue), Kim Chapman
(Edmonds), JC Clapp (South Seattle), Curtis Crawford (Columbia Basin), Janet Danley (Walla Walla)
Rolita Flores-Ezeonu (Highline), Mike Flodin (Tacoma), Kara Garrett (Big Bend, via Collaborate),
Christie Gilliland (Green River), Joyce Hammer (SBCTC), Kyle Hammon (Lower Columbia), Mark
Harrison (Olympic), Ed Harri (Whatcom), Bruce Hattendorf (Peninsula), Sally, Heilstedt (LWTech),
Michelle Hillisland (Clover Park), Gwendolyn James (Spokane), Amy Kinsel (Shoreline), Julie Kirgis
(North Seattle), Eugene McAvoy (Everett), Richard Middleton-Kaplan (Walla Walla), Alan Olson (South
Puget Sound), Wendy Rockhill (Seattle Central), June Stacey-Clemens (Renton Tech), Carey Schroyer
(Edmonds), Holly Smith (Pierce) Mary Soltman (South Puget Sound), Maria Somer (Lake Washington
Tech), Rod Taylor (Bellingham Technical), Tony Thomas (Wenatchee Valley), Vicki Trier (Spokane),
Yvonne Unnold (Tacoma guest), Peter Williams (Clark).
Guests: Jeff Wagnitz (VPI Highline), Bill Moore (SBCTC), Darby Kaikkonen (SBCTC), Elizabeth Word
- UMOJA Black Scholars Program (Highline), Jorden Calloway - student and Umoja Black Scholar
(Highline), James Bermingham ACHIEVE Academic Advisor (Highline)
ATC meeting welcome: Kerrie Cavaness called the meeting to order at 10:10a.
Welcome from Rolita Flores-Ezeonu, followed by Highline Vice President of Instruction at Highline
College, Jeff Wagnitz.
Introductions
Briefly describe where your college is with the new Nursing DTA. Adopted? How did you
accomplish or implement the 3 required courses with distribution? Challenges? Celebrations?
 Ethics and Policy in Healthcare
 Psychosocial Issues in Healthcare
 Nutrition in Healthcare
How are the courses being developed and offered? Who is teaching them?
HUMM/SS = Humanities and Social Sciences
Apologies for any errors - your corrections and comments are welcomed and valued.
Edmonds – yes Nursing DTA. The 6 credit science courses are being revised to 5 credits. Going through
accreditation right now.
Highline – yes Nursing DTA. There is a resistance by HUM/SS to have nursing faculty teaching the ethics
courses.
Green River - no Nursing DTA.
Pierce – does not have Nursing DTA, in holding pattern. This is the next topic for Learning Council. Tried
to implement a year ago. HUM SS faculty want collaboration. Looking to team teach the ethics and
psychosocial issues.
Clover Park - no Nursing DTA, maybe in the future.
South Puget Sound – yes Nursing DTA. The courses are taught in nursing program after buy off from
discipline faculty. They redesigned as team taught curriculum. The 5 credits are distributed – one
each quarter. The courses are offered for nursing students only. They are in the process of restructure
the nursing program as they recently lost accreditation. The Nutrition in Healthcare class is taught
separately.
Walla Walla – yes Nursing DTA.
“WWCC is one of the “early adopters” of the Associate in Nursing DTA/MRP degree. We accepted our
first cohort into this degree pathway in Fall 2015. It has been a fairly smooth role out after we received
approval from:
 WWCC College Curriculum Committee
 SBCTC
 Washington State Nursing Care Quality Assurance Commission (aka Board of Nursing)
 NWCCU
 Accreditation Commission for Education in Nursing (ACEN)- they didn’t exactly approve of the
Sub Change submitted, but they did say that it has been reviewed and place in our file, so since
they didn’t say it was a non-compliance issue, it’s sort of like an approval
Since we offer a stand-alone nutrition (NUTR&101), we only have two “Embedded General University
Requirement (GUR)” courses:
 PHIL 140, 142, 240, 241, 242 (5 credits across the 6 quarters): Ethics and Policy in Healthcare I-V
 PSYC 150, 151, 250, 251 (5 credits across the 6 quarters): Psychosocial Issues in Healthcare I-V
The embedded GURs were developed with input and guidance from Arts & Sciences faculty. Working to
the new degree off the ground (270 students each having to take 10 more credits of Humanities and 5
more credits of English/Communications). There was good support from the Dean of Arts & Sciences
who was here at that time we were planning for these courses and this really paved the way.
Biggest Challenges:
1. Credit transfer from out of state or from universities: The degree is very inflexible about the
number of credits and specific courses that must be in each of the Distribution
Areas. Examples:
a. We have students transfer from LCSC with a course called PSYC 300 Statistical Methods
(which previously was sufficient for the LCSC nursing program). We have to tell these
students that this does not meet the Math requirement for the new degree since it does
not have a math prefix and does not have college algebra as a pre-requisite.
b. We have students transfer from University of Idaho who have completed A & P I and II,
as well as Microbiology. We have to tell them that because they don’t have general
biology on their transcript that they need to complete that.
c. We have students transfer from Oregon Community Colleges. They have 4 credit
(instead of the 5 credit courses) so it they have several 4 credit courses within one
Distribution Area, they need to have another course within that Distribution Area to
ensure that they have the correct number of credits. We allow a student to be 1 credit
deficient within any of the Distribution Areas as long as they the total number of credits
for the degree.
2. Financial Aid: Our FA Director has reviewed the new FA rules and has told us that FA won’t pay
for “pre-requisites” to a degree (they will only pay for the courses in the degree). They also will
not pay for FA if the student is not “admitted” to the program. We have changed our
terminology to meet these requirements.
a. Courses that we called “pre-requisites” are now called “support courses that must be
done before application”.
b. Instead of referring to application to the Nursing Program, we state that there is open
admission to the RNDT pathway (so the student can take the support courses) but that
due to limited clinical placements, there is a competitive application process to be able
to begin the “Nursing Core Courses” (those courses with NURS prefix)
Overall, students are VERY happy that this will get them to the BSN degree faster and in a more cost
efficient manner. WGU and LCSC have voiced their intent to accept the new degree but they still have a
few curriculum changes on their end so that they only require the equivalent of 45 quarter credits for
our students to receive their BSN.”
Spokane – yes Nursing DTA. The courses are offered through collaboration and creativity and are team
taught. This has be accomplished through lots of meetings. They are collaborating with Spokane Fall
to restructure program work with Spokane Falls. There is a new prerequisite on the Nutrition in
Healthcare course. There are ongoing conversations on what is practice vs learning outcomes.
Everett – yes Nursing DTA. They are at an impasse as the HUMM SS faculty insist on teaching the
ethics and psychosocial courses. Ongoing discussion on who will teach he courses.
LWTECH – no DTA, working to complete accreditation first.
Shoreline – no DTA, working to complete accreditation first and a revision of curriculum to add quality
and safety.
Bellevue – is wrangling with requirements. And connecting nursing and content faculty. 6 credits science
courses are a problem
Peninsula – yes Nursing DTA. All nursing faculty left last spring. All good. Up and running HUM SS
taught be nursing with adjuncts with qualifications. Credits distributed. HUMM wanted ethics to not
be Phil course, only for nursing students. New course designation to cross list. HUM class. Prereq
credit transfer from Semester school is a problem. ½ credit to make up. Created new courses as PLA
to make up credit.
Bates – no DTA. Explore more in regards to the LPN to RN.
Columbia Basin – no nursing DTA. Working on a BSN.
South – consistent with Nursing DTA.
Olympic – no DTA. Have a BSN. Science classes with 6 credits is a problem, currently on a holding
pattern to resolve this.
North – yes Nursing DTA. Is changing the name on the Nutrition in Healthcare class to be CCN. For the
ethics and psychosocial courses HUMSS is in a holding pattern with Nursing.
Bellingham Tech – yes Nursing DTA. The three courses are folding into 1-3 credit courses taught by
nursing faculty. There currently no push back from HUM/SS
Tacoma – no DTA, maybe in the future. Send students to RN to BSN and this agreement does not make
it better.
Spokane Falls – no nursing program.
Renton - planning to offer DTA. Lots of new leadership – going slowly.
Wenatchee – yes Nursing DTA and BSN. The three courses are embedded. There are challenges with
microbiology courses (number of credits?
Whatcom – yes Nursing DTA. Challenges with pre-requisites and how they are counted.
Clark – 99% though DTA. Offer a three quarter course sequence in ANP, recently added a version with
two courses. Oregon schools require three courses and Washington requires two. There are wo sets of
courses. Struggling with what to call an ethics class taught by nursing faculty.
Yakima – yes Nursing DTA. There is resistance to have course titles that do not have curriculum that
matches the title. There lots of challenges, especially with nursing faculty who want HUM SS to
change standards. The three courses are folding into 1-3 credit courses taught by nursing faculty.
There has been some success where psych faculty asked to be allowed to work nursing faculty. 90%
students already take NTR. The biggest challenge is the ethics as it needs to be taught by Phil as that
is the course title.
Central – yes Nursing DTA. Also BSN, as well as other BS degrees. NTR taught by science faculty. All
new nursing faculty so lots of changes. Nursing faculty are teaching the Ethics and Policy in
Healthcare and Psychosocial Issues in Healthcare. They collaborated with the Humanities faculty on
the development. There are 1 or 2 credit courses for a total of 5 credits in each area.
Lower Columbia – yes Nursing DTA. The HUM SS are embedded. Extra courses are offered for
students going to OR.
SBCTC – this is a hot topic and there lots of questions from nursing faculty. The Ethics and Policy in
Healthcare and Psychosocial Issues in Healthcare need to be transcripted ad HUM or SS. Courses are
designed to be jointly developed, yet rest in a division. All models can work. Colleges all need to
make it work at their college. All nursing programs need to be accredited. We are required to hold
firm to pre-req limits. No flexibility around semester credits, students need to have to small credits to
cover missing credits (check out how Peninsula is doing this).
ATC has a rich discussion on the transfer of a course vs the number of credits. Does a course transfer
or is it the credits? 4.5 vs 5 credits. The outcome is only nursing does not round up on credits.
ATC Executive Committee Report
Chair’s Report- Kerrie Cavaness
Host ATC in 2016-2017? Here are some suggestions
Bellingham Tech - Fall
Renton Tech – Winter
Clark – Spring
ATC approved Computer Science DTA in the fall, it goes to Instruction Commission (IC) for
approval, then to Joint Transfer Council. There has been concern on the number of provisos
within ATC and the IC had the same concerns. IC is working on the provisos. ATC is not likely
to see this again. This will freeze the requirements for the BIs. There are discussions around the
Java/C++ discussion. More information will be posted on the ATC website. There is a fear that
if we do not pass this, it may go to the legislature.
The challenge with the CS DTA is determining if it follows the true goal of the DTA?
Action item: check with your VPI on the status and provide feedback on any changes.
Treasurer’s Report-Peter G. Williams
Current Account Total $6159. Projected Highline expenditures $1386.
Projected post winter meeting total: $4773.
Spring meeting unlikely to exceed $2000
Expected account at end of year roughly $2500.
Secretary’s Report- Wendy Rockhill – Vote on approval of spring draft minutes
Amy Kinsel moved to approve the Fall minutes.
Rob Taylor seconded.
Motion passed.
Bill Moore, SBCTC
1. Placement
Can we find something that will minimize the number of student who only take a test? Bill is
working with Student Services. Bill is interested in what is happening successfully at the colleges.
Placement reciprocity: there are anecdotes that there are challenges with this. How does this work
at your college?
Discussion:
How does this impact Ability to Benefit? Colleges will need to connect students with resources to
help with this.
Grades and placements are accurate for only about 7 years. We are likely to remain in the testing
business for a long time.
Most of the commercial placement providers are merging placement with education.
2. Smarter Balanced Assessment Implementation
Hand out on what Columbia Basin is doing. May be helpful for campus implementation. There
have been delays based on implementation in the K-12 system, what the different levels mean,
and how to assess the scores for the SBCTC system.
You can find out more here
Adobe Acrobat
Document
3. Math Pathways to Completion
Hand out with overview and workgroup members.
This is a collaboration with the Dana Center in Austin. The goal is to use the partnership to
implement the statewide math strategic plan.
Discussion:
Are these to be sequential pathways? What do we do with STEM and non-STEM pathways.
What happens with combined pre-college and college level courses?
Are we going to take on major changes to the DTA? The SBCTC is going to bring in outside
experts who can speak to how things are changing nationally.
Bridge to College English and Math - offering at several colleges. There will be more
opportunities next year through the College Spark grant.
Fine Arts DTA/MRP Discussion in preparation for Friday vote
Discussion - Joyce Hammer facilitated
 Currently takes students 6 years to complete a music DTA. More than 100 credits. The new
Associate in Music DTA/MRP will shorten the pathway to at least 5 years
 The length of time is partially due to the performance requirement.
 There have been ongoing discussions between CTC and BI faculty – the BI faculty learned
more about the courses we offer and the level of integrity as well as solid student advising to
continue in music only if truly capable of meeting the performance requirements. BI are
excited about what students are doing at CTCs.
 CTCs may be able to offer the performance requirement in the future.
 Central Washington requires an additional written test.
 Adding lessons so students can get financial aid (BIs are exciting about the lessons).
 Some BIs are really excited – they want to fill their programs. Some are not and wanting
students from the first year.
 Have not heard from the private BIs and they are aware of the degree.
 South Puget Sound has a reservation – individualized BI communication requirement (Basic
Requirements 1a – see document). We need to make sure this is not a proviso.
 Walla Walla has concerns around the ear training and keyboard and getting enough students.
 Next step – second year music theory courses. YVCC has one on WAOL.
 Bellevue supports enthusiastically. Like the idea of theory from the first year. Second year is
low enrolled and willing to work collectively. Shoreline too.
SBCTC Report - Joyce Hammer
 Dual Credit
HB 1546 – College in the High School is clarified. Running start is at the college and College
in the HS is at the HS.
We want JTC involved to determine faculty credentials.
SBCTC is looking at NACEP standards. This can take up to 5 years, though is likely to be
more along the lines of 3 years. In the future, if you are not NACEP accredited the suggestion
is to submit an annual report. The rules will be finalized soon. Followed by a comment
period.
It has been a challenge to survey HS students and there is not a good method to track
students.
Northwest Commission will be looking at dual credit this summer.
College in the HS allows for more collaboration between CTCs and HS to connect with
students. AP does not do this.
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Advance Placement
Scenario 1) AP class is taught and students can test as they wish. MUST be a HS course and
cannot be used as a college course.
Scenario 2) College in the HS class offered. Can it be counted as an AP class? Conversations
are ongoing. Can students take the AP test? Tests are often subsidized for students.
What happens when a student is enrolled in a College in the HS and gets college credit?
Another student can plan to take the AP test and then does not pass and does not get college
credit.
We need to have a tight AP placement agreement to deal with how messy this situation is
with assessment and placement.
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Legislative Update
Corrections education – hope to offer academic transfer in the future.
The legislature is considering a bill to offer five pilot bachelor’s programs at the community
and technical colleges. There is no additional funding for the pilot institutions.

Enrollment Counting
See Powerpoint on the ATC website.
Action item – provide Joyce with feedback on the credit definitions: theory, guided practice, fieldbased experience.
Discussion:
What do we deal with combined Art/music/etc classes? More discussions to follow. Colleges
will decide how to designate.
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Training for Academic Deans
There are no boot camps for academic deans. Center for Excellence was suggested – they do
not have capacity.
Do we want to add workshops to CTC Leadership Development Association?
Where do we go from here?
Wendy, Kerrie, and Joyce will draft a request for IC and a general outline of the
programmatic offerings. Your input and suggestions will be requested in the future.
Add Division Chairs to this group.

WRAPP (reverse articulation)
Documents on website
Discussion: the colleges might be willing to waive the graduation fees.
This will be beneficial to students in case they do not complete a bachelors. Many students
want this on their record.

Reverse Articulation Reciprocity Agreement policy (vote spring meeting) – see document
Based on the existing inter-college reciprocity agreements among CTCs and in an effort to
reduce barriers to degree completion for students, SBCTC colleges have developed and
adopted the following guidelines for reciprocity of transfer coursework from the
baccalaureate-granting institute of higher education.
Discussion:
This will not be in compliance with the math in the DTA.
Mike Flodin, Jim Brady and Ed Harri will work with Joyce to revise this document.
Action item – get feedback from student services and others at your colleges for vote at the spring
meeting.
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*NEW* Applied baccalaureate degrees articulation policy (for students coming with
bachelor's degrees) - upcoming topic, see document on website.

Growing enrollments in Pre-calculus and Calculus Courses – see document on website
CCN and restricted electives - Kyle Hammon
There are no proposals.
There is a request for a new course prefix: we do not have a process for that. We will need to address this
in the upcoming year.
There is a suggestion to assemble a workgroup to discuss and prepare CCN proposals. The link to the
protocol, which interestingly, does provide that SBCTC staff can prepare a proposal. Our protocol calls
for proposed changes to be shared at the winter meeting.
http://www.sbctc.edu/resources/documents/colleges-staff/commissionscouncils/atc/atc_ccn_maintenance.pdf
Joyce suggested the following names for the CS workgroup:
Hilda Haliday
CS/Math
Faculty
Skagit Valley
John Mill
CS Faculty
Spokane Falls
Ravinder Kang
CS Faculty
Highline
Michael Panitz
CS Faculty
Cascadia
Hilda.Halliday@skagit.edu;
john.mill@sfcc.spokane.edu;
rkang@highline.edu;
mpanitz@cascadia.edu;
This will address the need for a CS CCN. For Math and other STEM list CCNs, we have a little more
time before the non-CCN classes are dropped from the list. How about if we solicit names from the
membership for a workgroup, and proceed from there?
Call for nominations for ATC Board for 2016-2017.
College Coding Update – Darby Kaikkonen (SBCTC)
Discussions:
STEM course listing – new allocation model. How do you weigh high demand courses? Below is an
outline of the process
STEM Course Identification
The goal of the course list is to identify enrollments for academic transfer students pursuing STEM majors.
Step 1: Identify STEM CIP codes from the list used by ERDC:
01 Agriculture, agriculture operations, and related sciences
03 Natural resources and conservation
Colleges
Review
04 Architecture and related services
11 Computer and information sciences and support services
14 Engineering
15 Engineering technologies/technicians
26 Biological and biomedical sciences
27 Mathematics and statistics
40 Physical sciences
41 Science technologies/technicians
Step 2: Of the STEM CIP codes listed above, identify commonly numbered courses
Commonly numbered courses in the designated CIP codes are included on the list, with the
exception of courses that explicitly state in the course title or description that they are
intended for non-majors or are requirements for the general DTA degree. Examples of
excluded courses from common numbers include:
Math& 146 - Introduction to Statistics
PHYS& 110 - Physics Non-Science Majors w/Lab
Step 3: Of the remaining non-commonly numbered courses within the STEM CIP codes,
identify courses that are in a sequence or are 200 level or higher.
Individual courses should have a STEM prerequisite in order to distinguish it
from a non-STEM major.
Discussion:
What are we going to do with non-CCN for upper level STEM courses that have a STEM prerequisite?
Engineering, upper level math, and computer science classes all have CIP codes and will be included.
Are the BSN pathways not included, while the RN is included? This is based on student demand.
Business meeting concludes for Thursday at 4:37pm
Post business meeting: STEM Deans meeting with Darby Kaikkonen regarding high priority enrollments.
Friday, February 12, 2016 Meeting (thank you, Peter Williams, for taking notes!)
Joyce Hammer: SBCTC Website Tour
Discussion about new web site: High Monkey company assessed SBCTC web site.
We wanted a web site that students could access. Designed more for the public.
Recommend going to the Board Meeting section with the minutes.
Also visit For College and SBCTC Staff button
Visit the Programs and Services section
Check out all the One Pagers
Also visit the Transfer page
The word DTA/MRP concerns an agreement, so must be careful about use of same language for local use.
ctcLink may clear up use of brand DTA/MRP.
Recommend viewing and bookmarking the ATC site.
Vote on Action Items from Thursday
Fine Arts DTA/MRP
Motion to approve the Fine Arts DTA: Kyle Hammon & Amy Kinsel seconded
Motion passes with one abstention and one objection
AP Equivalent – Updated Information – Kyle Hammon
Passed out “AP Test Score Equivalencies at Washington SBCTCs”
Passed out “Q and A for interpreting and applying the AP equivalencies table.”
Some changes are cosmetic.
One of charges in taking this work was to remove ambiguity.
General discussion about some details and the level of scores and competencies.
Generally credit required a score of three or more.
Action item: Robust discussion on listserv. Provide details to Kyle.
Also help requested in reviewing and contributing to the Q and A list.
Discussion:
Joyce clarified that we already voted on much of this, so the remaining work is cleaning up the document.
Joyce suggested removing the “ors.” Matt Campbell suggested removing the “and/ors.”
One suggestion was using the words “at least.” This would provide the base line.
Mike Flodin pointed out that the AP physics tests are very new.
One of the best resources is the link on the first Q and A document, which directs one to the inventory.
Joyce is sending out the four year schools’ format.
Joyce clarified that we are doing a 4 for IB credit. Four years are doing a 5. Awaiting clarification from AG’s
Office.
Action item: Send documentation to your faculty and registrar for language clean up and refinement. IC
will provide feedback to ATC. Expected vote in Spring after wording is cleaned up.
Instruction Commission Update: Matt Campbell
IC approved process for how we would do regular update of AP scores.
Much of IC info has been discussed already throughout meeting.
CS DTA coming to IC next week.
Guided Pathways Discussion
AACC Pathways Grant: 3 schools currently participating. Goal is to put structure together, building culture shift.
State has 7 million dollar College Spark Grant coming out soon for five schools. College Spark is selecting the
colleges. SBCTC is helping with the criteria. Five colleges will be selected in July. A lot of the activities will be
opened up to the whole system.
Jobs of the Future has selected Student Success Center. SBCTC was selected as one of five new Student Success
Centers led by Jobs for the Future, at $500,000 over the next two years. I attended JFF’s orientation meeting last
week. We formed an advisory committee last December and are in the final stages of hiring a director
The state will not mandate pathways. It will be a locally developed process.
How do you package and promote curriculum is much of the focus.
IC has not discussed this in any great depth. Student Services has discussed this to a larger extent. Advising is a
significant variable.
Retention of students bolsters programs as students are then available for upper level courses.
Yakima is way ahead, currently using structure for advising. Curriculum development is the next step.
Exploratory should be guided exploratory.
Joyce Hammer: Evidenced Based Workgroup. Please review document Evidence “Based Practice Report.”
Professional Development: Highline College Faculty
PowerPoint slide shows for both presentations will be posted on the ATC site.
James Bermingham ACHIEVE Academic Advisor
ACHIEVE is a community college certificate program for students with intellectual
disabilities that includes credit and non-credit courses, intensive advising, involvement in
campus life, participation in community based internships, and job placement.
“If we have higher expectations for students, we see higher levels of success.”
-James
Elizabeth Word - UMOJA Faculty Lead
Jorden Calloway, student and Umoja Black Scholar
UMOJA Black Scholars Program
http://prezi.com/f9thcak3yt1l
Highline is an Achieving the Dream School
Umoja is a community of educators and learners committed to the academic success, personal growth and selfactualization of African American and other students.
Winter Meeting Adjourns at 11:55 AM
Safe travels, and see you at the spring ATC meeting at CBC!
Respectfully submitted,
Wendy Rockhill