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Plato’s Republic

 Written ca. 385 B.C.; one of Plato’s middle dialogues.

 The title is a bad translation of the Greek

politeia, “political or public business.”

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 1. Plato’s theory of the “origin of a city”

(Griffith trans. 369b)

 What kind of theory is this?

• Anthropological?

• Historical?

• Rational?

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 Are two principles which are the basis for the social character of humans

• 1. No person is self-sufficient; all have basic needs (369b).

• 2. Each person is born with a specific aptitude for some type of work (370a-b).

– For Plato, talents or aptitudes are natural.

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 Summary formula of Plato’s theory of the origin of society

• needs + aptitudes + specialization + exchange of goods & services = fulfillment of needs of all & happiness

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 Transition to the next topic: the life of humans should go beyond a “city of pigs” (372d).

• Humans desire luxuries

• Leads to expansion

• Leads to war

• Need for an army

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 2. The class structure of the Republic

 (1) The military - “guardians”

• Their education (376c-412b) - brief glance

 (2) The rulers

• The best of the guardians, older, wiser, and concerned with the wellbeing of the whole society (412c).

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 (3) Workers (“farmers and [other] skilled workers” 415a)

 How is the authority of the rulers to be established?

• The teaching of a myth - the myth of gold, silver, iron & brass (415a)

 A class, not a caste system (415b)

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 3. The virtues of the state

 (1) Wisdom (428b-429a)

• the virtue of the rulers

• good judgment

• general knowledge vs specialized

(tacitly suggested in the discussion about carpentry & farming, 428b-c)

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• very few have it (429a)

• ultimately, wisdom is knowledge of the Ideas

 (2) Courage (429a)

• the virtue of the military

• knowledge of what is and what is not to be feared (429b, 430b)

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 (3) “Self-discipline” (Griffith trans.

430d); often called moderation or temperance (s  phrosun  )

• the virtue of the workers

• “mastery of pleasures and desires”

(430e)

• “a kind of order” (430e) - the proper order of the superior & inferior

– on the level of the individual & of the state

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• Plato’s attitude toward the workers

– Cf. George Orwell’s 1984.

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 (4) Justice (432b-d)

• Each person ought to do that task for society which fits his or her natural aptitudes . . .

• and not trying to do other people’s jobs for them

• Connection with Plato’s theory of the origins of the state (433a, reference is to 369b)

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• Justice in the individual -- the proper & natural order within the soul of its parts (444b-d)

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• Cf. Plato’s notion of justice to the modern Western notion

– Plato  emphasis is on duty of citizens to the community & state.

 Focus is on the common good

– modern  emphasis is on fairness in the distribution of rights & legal processes

 Focus is on the individual

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 4. The three parts of the soul

• The “rational element” (Griffith trans. 439d)

• The “spirited element” (441a)

• The “desiring element” (439d)

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 For Plato, just as it is important for the well-being of the state that each class does its job, so also it is important for the well-being of the individual that each part of the soul does it job.

• What does this mean?

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 Overview of topics 2, 3, & 4

• A series of parallelisms classes rulers military workers virtues wisdom courage parts of the soul rational spirited self-discipline desiring

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 5. The status of women in the Republic

 Women in ancient Athenian Greece

• Their place was in the household

– Only roles outside of the household - priestesses, mourners at funerals, participants in religious festivals

• Strict division of occupations by sex

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• Uneducated; most were illiterate

• Dowries

 Plato

• Occupations should not be based on sex (451d, e, 452a-b, 454d-e, 455de)

• Hint that woman can be rulers

(455d-e, 456a)

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• Woman guardians receive the same education as men (456b-c)

• In the Laws - abolishment of dowries

• But there are occasional misogynistic passages in the Republic

(431b-c, 557c, 563b)

 To the essay by Julia Annas on

The Republic & feminism

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