http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/06/25/james-whitey-bulger-seeks-recusal-judge-overseeing-hiscase/0a7VY665C77YZ6zzTFVgHK/story.html
A license to kill? Notorious gangster James ‘Whitey’
Bulger argues he has immunity granted by government
06/25/2012 5:58 PM
By Martin Finucane and Travis Andersen, Globe Staff
Notorious gangster James “Whitey” Bulger says he had a deal with the government that protected him from prosecution
and that agreement still holds, meaning that the extensive federal case against him — which includes allegations of 19
murders -- should be dropped.
“The defendant reached an agreement with the Department of Justice through its agent during the 1970s. The immunity
agreement fully protects the defendant from prosecution for all of the crimes currently under indictment,” Bulger’s
attorneys said in a filing in US District Court in Boston today.
His indictment, the attorneys said, “directly violated the immunity agreement that the defendant had bargained for, had
relied upon, and had been promised.”
Bulger, who is being held pending a November trial, was for decades a fearsome figure in Boston’s underworld, while at
the same time serving as a prized informant with a cozy relationship with the FBI. Tipped off by a corrupt FBI agent,
Bulger fled the area in 1995 and eluded a worldwide manhunt until he and girlfriend Catherine Greig were arrested last
year in Santa Monica, Calif.
Bulger’s attorneys revealed some of their defense strategy today in a court filing calling for US District Judge Richard A.
Stearns to recuse himself from the case because of his former service as a federal prosecutor.
The attorneys, J.W. Carney Jr. and Henry B. Brennan, said there was “corruption and misconduct” during the time the
government had an immunity agreement with Bulger and that included the time during which Stearns was a prosecutor
and headed the US attorney’s criminal division.
The attorneys said they planned to file a motion to dismiss on the grounds that Bulger had an immunity agreement. They
said they also planned to seek an evidentiary hearing on that motion that could include questions for Judge Stearns
himself.
“A court must hear Judge Stearns’ answers to questions at this hearing, such as, ‘Why, when you were Chief of the
Criminal Division, did you not indict the defendant for these crimes or open an investigation into the FBI’s relationship
with the defendant?’” the filing said.
Bulger’s attorneys had also sought to push back his November trial date. And US Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler
agreed at a hearing today, setting the trial for March 4, 2013. Bowler emphasized, though, that Bulger will not get another
continuance in the case.
After the hearing, Carney spoke outside the courthouse about the continuance and about Bulger’s proposed motion to
dismiss. Steven Davis, whose sister was allegedly one of the 19 murdered by Bulger, said he was flabbergasted by Carney’s
statements and needed a moment “so my tongue don’t fall to the ground.”
“So he was allowed to murder?” Davis said. “A lawyer’s claiming Whitey Bulger had immunity to murder with orders of the
government. How do I feel?”
Davis said that while Bulger may have had some leeway as an informant, it certainly did not extend to murder. He also
said Carney was grasping at straws. “I don’t think he’s capable” of trying the case, Davis said.
Tom Donahue, whose father was allegedly murdered by Bulger, also cast doubt on the gangster’s immunity claim. “I’m
sure that immunity goes out window when you murder dozens of people,” Donahue said.
Some in Boston reacted with disbelief when Bulger’s status as an informant was revealed, first through newspaper reports
then through extensive court hearings by US District Judge Mark Wolf.
But the documents filed in court today by the defense made no effort to hide a relationship between Bulger and the
government, noting that “members of the Department of Justice, including the FBI, consistently provided information to
the defendant in an effort to further his criminal enterprise.”
“Based on the assistance of the Department of Justice ... the defendant became arguably the most powerful organized
crime figure in Boston,” the documents said.
The documents sought to call the evidentiary hearing to “establish evidence, both direct and circumstantial, to prove the
issue of immunity.”
The defense filed in court a list of “potential witnesses and non-testifying individuals whose credibility must be assessed.”
The list included who’s who of former federal prosecutors, including former Gov. William F. Weld, a
former US attorney; as well as former US attorneys Frank McNamara Jr., and Wayne Budd; and former acting US
attorney Jeremiah O’Sullivan, who died in 2009. The list also included federal agents, as well as state and local police
officers.
NOTE: GLARINGLY & NOTICABLY MISSING; FBI DIRECTOR, ROBERT S. MUELLER
III, a Former Boston Federal Pros. after Weld (1987) and Head of the Boston Crime Task Force under Weld (1982-1987)
and then followed Weld into the US Justice Dept. as the #2 in Justices Criminal Division in 1989 under GHW Bush(CIA/VP - Iran/Contra = Arms & Drugs and Money Laundering)
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gotham77 wrote:
I'll give his lawyers credit, they're creative...and not afraid to be laughed at by a Federal judge.
Why spend almost 20 years on the run if you believe you hold a "get out of jail free" card?
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I thought the NE mafia moved back to Boston.. what good is Providence these days
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marythefifth wrote:
And what if he was promised immunity? And what if the FBI participated in keeping him hidden? I would like to know
what the FBI got in return for giving him protection.
I agree with one of the other comments. Let him go. He'll get true justice faster than going through a lengthy and
costly trial.
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ghouse wrote:
I can save everyone a lot of time and money. Send him back to California and have him prosecuted for keeping an
arsenal of illegal weapons in his apartment, tax evasion, false identities....That should be enough time for him to die
in prison!
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I agree with 'ghouse', I've always thought that if he was tried for the California side of it, it would be much faster and
a whole lot less expensive. They even have pictures! But I also agree with 'gotham77' -- why run and live under
cover if you have an immunity deal that completely protects you?
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What a joke!
If this murderer had immunity, why go into hiding and use aliases?
LIAR, THIEF, MURDERER
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KJHondo wrote:
Why do think it took so long to arrest him. They ignored many tips over the years and helped keep him hidden. We
find Osama and Sadaam yet this guy remained at large.
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fadingas wrote:
Holy ???t, what if he's right?
Wouldn't suprise me, would it you?
After all, the BIG BROTHER government ain't exactly pure.
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snoutfair wrote:
If he gets acquitted here they can always send him back to CA for the gun charges.
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barco1 wrote:
The same exact argument that Flemmi unsuccessfully used. In all fairness, the Department of Justice did actively
seek charges against Bulger for years before he fled but nobody in South Boston knew anything. And you can't
blame people as at this time Connolly was feeding Whitey the names of those who did go to the FBI.
In all fairness to the FBI, there was a recommendation made that Bulger should be dropped as an informant.
However, the web that Connolly and John Morris had spun convinced others about the "value" of keeping him on.
Morris and Connolly had a lot of leeway and freedom and were able to operate very independently from the rest of
the FBI. Because of this, I really doubt we are going to see lots more corrupt FBI agents exposed at Whitey's trial.
Another remaining question though is who from the MA State Police leaked the bugging information up to Morris and
Connolly.
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@bceagles65432, Lehr no longer writes for the Globe and is a professor at BU.
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mhc90 wrote:
Congrats, 57 states, not only do you win for most irrelevant comment thus far, but for showing a true lack of
understanding of the difference between a negligent act and one done deliberately. Nicely done. Comparing a car
accident resulting in death with a known mobster believed to have PURPOSELY killed 19 people. You really are
obsessed with hatred, aren't you?
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If this is true why were you hiding out on the other side of the country?...Moron
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isoia wrote:
Tip of the iceberg...
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Interesting..I would like to know what role brother Billy played in the whole mess. Shielding Whitey's currency-moving
operations seemed to be one service he provided (the state trooper who detained Whitey at Logan had his career
ruined). The "CM" was a man of easy principles-he had no problem shielding his brother.
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If true, this would be awesome.
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mhc90 wrote:
Congrats, 57 states, not only do you win for most irrelevant comment thus far, but for showing a true lack of
understanding of the difference between a negligent act and one done deliberately. Nicely done. Comparing a car
accident resulting in death with a known mobster believed to have PURPOSELY killed 19 people. You really are
obsessed with hatred, aren't you?
-----------------Since his comment was removed before I even saw it, let me guess: something about a famous wrong turn down a
marshy road on Cape Cod?
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mistab wrote:
Now I'm really confused..
Why was Catherine Greig found guilty if Whitey had an 'agreement' with the government? She can't be guilty if he
was technically immune from prosecution. But now she's a felon.
Hey, maybe we can claim that Whitey was harboring Catherine Greig and charge him with that?
What a mess.
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hybird2007 wrote:
Just in the nick of time...a get out of jail free card! Probably a written statement from the recently retired FBI agents.
Connolly had to be the biggest stooge of the three stooges. They must be hoping he never goes to trial but dies of
natural causes in custody. You just can't make this up, the movie can't be too far off.
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PragmaticAmerican wrote:
Legally, no writ of immunity by the Feds covers murder. So you will get no free pass here, Whitey.
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I think William Bulger is the bigger thug of the two add Finneran to that list and Stevn Lynch. If MA prosecuted 50%
of the corrupt politicians and policemen and women, we would need to turn Gillete Stadium into a prison.
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foolish1 wrote:
Utter nonsense.
If Bulger REALLY thought he had immunity, then why did he run?
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frogman6675 wrote:
J.W. Carney is such a piece of human excrement.
May he rot alongside Whitey if this goes thru...
Although, if it does, he will be taken out by one of the
surviving family members of the people murdered.
Trust me, he wont last 1 month and neither will Whitey.
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The Departed II
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Why did my
comment asking
for the return of
Dick Lehr to fill
in more info on
this story get
deleted?
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How's your
tough guy act
working in jail?
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he wasnt hiding
from the cops.
he was hiding
from the mob
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Whitey and the
Mafia actually
made the
Politicians,
Philanthropist
and Unions in
MAssachusetts
look good. The
whole episode
seemingly sent
out an
erroneous PR
message to the
general and
naive (only)
public at large...
that in MA. they
were not
actually all one
in the same.
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I was on the T
the other night
and these four
"youths" on their
way to the Sox
game were
chatting - seems
one of them was
in the lock-up
recently and he
was all bragging
about how he
saw Whitey, was
talking to him
and everything.
Very telling, on a
number of
levels.
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In
Massachusetts,
Whiteys role
would have
been that of a
foil to the of the
Politicians,
Philanthropist,
Unions, Church
and Kennedys.
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I suspect at
some time in the
future, when it's
too late to
prosecute, we'll
find out that Billy
Bulger had
immunity and
that's why he
was able to get
away with so
much.
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The Mafia and
Mob from
whiteys Error
were Loyal
servants (for a
price) untill the
very end. Future
material for roles
as MA. Public
servants in the
Future.
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Get the old
geezer on
weapons
charges. That is
all the
prosecution
needs to get a
10 year
sentence. At his
age this is
tantamount to
spending the
rest of his
natural life
behind bars.
Saves
government
resources and
problem solved.
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It was all one big
Massachusetts
like Ponzi
protection racket
between like
minded
associates from
across the social
and political
spectrum.
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Catherine
Greigs sister
said in an
interview that it
almost seems
like a
conspiracy. Well
it is/and was.
Especially if
someone
repeatedly told
them it wasn't...
(that is key)
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I would think that
the original
agreement with
the Feds did not
include him being
on the run for 16
years as well as
not keeping in
contact with the
FBI, as he agreed.
That means the
contract was
broken by him and
therefore, not
legally binding the
government to any
further
responsibilities to
him.
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The defense is
saying that Whitey
should get off
because he had
high level
permission or
Carte Blanche to
do what ever he
wanted and have
immunity from
prosecution.
Well, This isn't so
far fetched here in
Boston for
anybody that has
ever worked in a
hack friendly or
unionized place of
employment both
inside and outside
of the local
government.
Everybody can
attest to the fact
that the place (of
employment)has
at least 75 % of
the labor force
milling around
(when they are
there) doing
whatever they so
please with
complete and
guaranteed
immunity from any
and everything
that mere mortal
workers are
subjected to here
in Boston.
I know, I worked in
Boston at one of
the best places
(compnaies) to
launch a career
(wink, wink).
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I would have to
say (hopefully)
that the trend in
Boston seems to
be that the end of
this very old...
almost ancient
agreement of one
hand washes the
other immunity is
slated to come to
an end. I noticed
that there was a
ruthless frenzied
like grab at getting
away with what
anything and
everything one
could leading up to
the years of
Whiteys capture
and ending in a
most demonic like
celebration of fire
just before his
capture. Hardly
Coincidental I
might add.
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If he is given any
breaks then our
system of justice is
as big a joke as
people think it is.
This man was a
killer
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seymonster wrote:
he wasnt hiding
from the cops. he
was hiding from
the mob
-----------I have to admit
that's a good
point.
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I wonder whats
going through Zip
and Flemmi's mind
right now.This trial
should be very
interesting.
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Ummm...I don't
think so Whitey.
Nice try.
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zebraa wrote:
The defense is
saying that Whitey
should get off
because he had
high level
permission or
Carte Blanche to
do what ever he
wanted and have
immunity from
prosecution.
Well, This isn't so
far fetched here in
Boston for
anybody that has
ever worked in a
hack friendly or
unionized place of
employment both
inside and outside
of the local
government.
Everybody can
attest to the fact
that the place (of
employment)has
at least 75 % of
the labor force
milling around
(when they are
there) doing
whatever they so
please with
complete and
guaranteed
immunity from any
and everything
that mere mortal
workers are
subjected to here
in Boston.
I know, I worked in
Boston at one of
the best places
(compnaies) to
launch a career
(wink, wink).
----------------Thanks for your
valuable
contribution to the
dialogue. Because
of course, this
story is about your
feelings about
what's wrong with
the public sector.
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zebraa wrote:
All though I could
be wrong, It may
be nothing more
then just another
day in the
neighborhood.
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soxfan6775 wrote:
When reached for comment, president Obama said Bulger's flight from justice was "Bush's fault."
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bceagles65432 wrote:
Can someone explain to me why my repeated calls for the return of one Mr. Dick Lehr to provide better
coverage on this story are being censored?
What motive could globe editors have for censoring their involvement with their former reporter Mr. Lehr,
who wrote the wonderfully informative Black Mass.
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jonbowen wrote:
It's a master stroke by Whitey and his attorneys.
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zebraa wrote:
gotham77 wrote:
zebraa wrote:
The defense is saying that Whitey should get off because he had high level permission or Carte Blanche
to do what ever he wanted and have immunity from prosecution.
Well, This isn't so far fetched here in Boston for anybody that has ever worked in a hack friendly or
unionized place of employment both inside and outside of the local government.
Everybody can attest to the fact that the place (of employment)has at least 75 % of the labor force milling
around (when they are there) doing whatever they so please with complete and guaranteed immunity
from any and everything that mere mortal workers are subjected to here in Boston.
I know, I worked in Boston at one of the best places (compnaies) to launch a career (wink, wink).
----------------Thanks for your valuable contribution to the dialogue. Because of course, this story is about your feelings
about what's wrong with the public sector.
---No it isn't. This is a just a high level overview. I really have no interest in the public or Political sector as a
whole and know very little about it. I was always to busy working or with other legitamate things then to
waste my being being obsessed with how the Political and/or public sector operates in this State. I
suspect that I would have had little to gain from it either way.
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He would have to be insane to think the Federal Government would keep their word.
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Mobsters and Hacks till the very end, All of them.
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carraway wrote:
this could get whitey shanked in jail. gov may feel it's time for whitey to expire.
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zebraa wrote:
Let me put it this way, If Whitey died today (in MA.) the funeral would be packed with Politicians, well
known Philanthropist, community leaders, Church clergy, various who's who of Politicians (up and coming
or otherwise), various Kennedys, Law enforcement, FBI (Boston office), union officials and some bag pipe
players, and Jack Nicholson, A motely crew to say the least.
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@zebraa: Your comments make absolutely no sense. It's very difficult trying to slog through the cloudy
haze of your horrible spelling and grammar. Not to mention your desire to come across as someone in the
know. Step back, phony!
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Seriously, do we really still need to put quotes around "Whitey"? It's so annoying at this point. At some
point someone's nickname becomes their name. Or maybe we should always put quotes around "Cher"
people like that. Stupid.
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I mean Cher AND people like that, sorry.
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zebraa wrote:
Cher ??? , No we are talking moguls as in Casino moguls. You know moguls are my kind of people.
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zebraa wrote:
The Jig is up. Everybody here in MA deserves a fair shot and a fair chance. The party is over !!
Get used to it.
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Steveknowsall wrote:
@zebraa: Your comments make absolutely no sense. It's very difficult trying to slog through the cloudy
haze of your horrible spelling and grammar. Not to mention your desire to come across as someone in the
know. Step back, phony!
---You must be from out of town or at the very least from one of the more clueless areas of the State.
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nlp wrote:
Even if the Feds did give Whitey a promise of immunity, it would have no effect on state charges of
murder. And it wouldn't have any effect on that murder in Oklahoma, either. This line of thinking was
offered in US District court, not state court. And at this point I don't think any member of the DOJ is going
to admit to having offered Whitey a pass. Federal prisons are generally thought to be nicer than most
state prisons. Whitey may want to rethink this.
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zebraa wrote:
I just hope the capture of Whitey is the symbolic end to all the corrupt Massachusetts one hand washing
the other that has been going on in this State for so very long. That has impacted so very many
unsuspecting victims.
Again this is a very high level view (which always presents a very predictable pattern)....I know a lot of you
are incapable yet of looking at the Big picture here in MAssachusetts.
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tc123 wrote:
wait...it took a year to think of this excuse??????????
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zebraa wrote:
In Massachusetts as we have all seen over the long run, A well travelled trek of endless cheating, bullying, deception
and mobbing does not lead us to the survival of the fittest. Instead it leads us to a never ending cycle of protection
racket schemes...which seem to benefit so few in this State.
yadda yadda yadda !!
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who-cares-1940 wrote:
It's probably not going to work, BUT he was protected by the FBI for years while he informed for them. The FBI knew
about the murders and did nothing.
I don't know what paper work there is, or much of anything, but nothing would surprise me. The FBI has screwed up
this case from day one. They were looking all over the world when he was practically under their nose.
I don't have that much faith in or respect for the FBI anymore.
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zebraa wrote:
The concept behind Whitey was to enforce the extraction of both money, Loyalty and slave like labor or production
out of those that were not considered to be a part of our one big happy Southie like family. If you paid up you were
protected, If not you were targeted.
6/25/2012 8:01 PM EDT
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zebraa wrote:
I don't think the Mobsters or killers ever really scared the FBI, State Police or the BPD, or even my old supervisor at
my hack job. It was really all those innocent victims that seem to scare them. I say this because the FBI, Maybe even
the CIA are the big apes and we all know that little Apes follow and emulate the Big Apes.
6/25/2012 8:09 PM EDT
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zebraa wrote:
Permission you say ?.
Well that would mean that Whitey was no different then his namesake dog in the fictional character Boston Blacky
(created by author Jack Boyle (October 19, 1881 – October 1928). aka known as the shady like character "Boston
Black(y*)
* Please note that Blacky is really spelled "ie at the end instead of Y".
6/25/2012 8:40 PM EDT
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zebraa wrote:
It is the same old Massachusetts story regarding immunity here in MA. Yeah we built this city and are the ones who
deliver that democrat vote for the State of MA. ......therefore we have "special" immunity from all the daily doses of
abuse and deadly like shenanigans that we dish out.
Well, ain't that Special !!
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poopsteo wrote:
Haha... Would be considered if it wasn't nation news. Or if he didnt have a public defender that gets paid by the the
state. Legal system is a joke. We have freedom fighters and terrorists, pick ur side!
6/25/2012 9:13 PM EDT
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dont-hate wrote:
So did the head of Chelsea housing...
6/25/2012 9:20 PM EDT
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meandmyownself wrote:
If said car accident that has been removed involved leaving someone to die a slow death and not calling for help it's
really no different than pulling the trigger. Of course that would still leave them 18 behind Whitey.
6/25/2012 9:41 PM EDT
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yanksalwaysrule wrote:
If we accept that the FBI couldn't find Whitey for almost twenty years that either means they didn't want to find him or
they are incompetent. Neither makes you feel too good about their credibility.
Federal cases almost always go to trial way before state cases do. So, why did a federal magistrate allow another
continuance to the defense? Actually, it pretty much *never* happens except when the Feds have something to gain.
It's not hard to figure out that the Feds want two things: (1) Whitey to die in jail and, failing that (2) to cut a deal with
Whitey so he never goes to trial and names all the names he knows.
J.W. Carney is not a stupid man.To offer out that Whitey had immunity to commit murder would normally get him
censured. But, he is just firing a warning shot over the bow that says Whitey is willing to tell all - and look what
happened - magically, a delay in the trial for 5 months while the Feds and a few prior prosecutors/governors digested
that message.
Fellow citizens - this is not going to trial - no way, no how. It is no one's best interests to allow that to happen and
that's why the Magistrate punted today - she got the message from above. There will be no justice for his murder
victims and, sad to say, for their families. Justice (purposely and knowingly delayed) is justice denied.
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k1mgy wrote:
It's about time. Now we shall see if there are any distinctions between the criminals and the crime fighters, other than
the labels.
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zebraa wrote:
k1mgy wrote:
It's about time. Now we shall see if there are any distinctions between the criminals and the crime fighters, other than
the labels.
---High level overview:
Excellent point, because in Massachusetts it is really the Bad guys (often posing/passing themselves off as the good
guys) who are actually afraid of their never and ever growing list of victims going back seemingly forever. Maybe that
is why in Boston there is a criminal like minded desparation to control every hack like job or agency. They will tell you
that they are there own worse enemies...but that it does provide endless job security for them all around.
6/25/2012 10:23 PM EDT
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zebraa wrote:
Yup,
It is an old self marketing trick (simular to the one used to market Listerine). First create all the problems to begin
with and then offer themselves up as the one and only solution to those very problems......(ie) corner the Market on
both creating the problems and solving those problems.
6/25/2012 10:28 PM EDT
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yabba2010 wrote:
What a joke!
If after 30 years the Mass judiciary, law enforcement, media, and legislative powers can't bring this mobster-killer to
justice, then don't even talk to me anymore about this story.
I don't want to hear any more oohs and ahhs about this guy killing 19+ people (probably more like 30) ...
A classic failure of this State, this City, and all concerned to let this guy run free after so much violence.
Might as well just bury it Globe, like you do with most of the other crime stores.
Stick to articles about removing sugary sweets from consumption, and why we need more worry about global
warming.
6/26/2012 12:56 AM EDT
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FearlessLdr wrote:
What a mess!! There is ample truth in the statement that the FBI and the Justice Department allowed and enabled
Whitey to become the dominant power in Boston crime.
What's less clear is this grant of immunity. Short of JW Carney producing the grant on the FBI's or the US Attorney's
letterhead with a signature, he'll have a hard row to hoe. That said, Judge Stearns will certainly have to recuse
himself as that he may be called to testify.
No one has yet named the US Attorney(s) or their deputies who were aware of these arrangements. Along with FBI
Agents Connolly and Morris, they should be hanged.
6/26/2012 12:59 AM EDT
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austin018 wrote:
I see. So now he cries "immunity" after some 17 years on the run as a fugitive? Even if he was promised it (which is
within the realm of possibility), that agreement would have been considered void as soon as Bulger went
underground back in August, 1995.
6/26/2012 1:38 AM EDT
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cwyiu wrote:
If he believes he has immunity, then why the hell did he go into hiding all these years.
6/26/2012 1:43 AM EDT
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clambelly wrote:
"News" Flash ... Dateline NY ... The Boston Globe is up for the Coveted LibertyAndJusticeUnited.org "Stogi Award,"
in the Investigative Journalism category. It's much bigger than the DuPont award in "Journalism."
Now, if they would only include the MOST GLARING name missing in their list of who's who in Former Boston
Federal Prosecutor's and Boston Crime Task Force Chiefs.
Hint; Robert S. Mueller, III.
Congress; Vote Yes on Thursday to hold in Contempt Eric Holder -(Fast & Furious, Operation Castaway &
WorthingtonGate) and then Director Mueller and the other Executive Devil's minions who should have had the
screws put to them in 2001, before G "WYAH"
signed his ROGUE "Executive" Privilege Order denying Congress their rights to OVERSIGHT & REFORM of
CORRUPT Officials including THEMSELVES.
A little Devine Intervention & Justice is also at play now, while Debby churns up Clearwater & Tampa Bay, FL
(Central Command) ... God is Great. :)
WorthingtonGate ... The other GOVERNMENT "HIT" that's had "IMMUNITY."
http://LibertyAndJusticeUnited.org
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Sistersledge wrote:
@soxfan6775 why did you have to mention anything about Obama and dubya ?
We all know it was "Tricky Dicky's" John Mitchell who was the US Attorney General 40 years ago. Don't you recall he was
sentenced to jail because of his involvement in Watergate !
6/26/2012 8:03 AM EDT
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buddy40 wrote:
I have heard from a fairly accurate source that the FBI. knew for years where they lived in California,So if that's right why did it take
so long to arrest them.It makes sense to me that it is true as one of Billy Bulger's daughters lived right near hem at one time.
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buddy40 wrote:
I have heard from a fairly accurate source that the FBI. knew for years where they lived in California,So if that's right why did it take
so long to arrest them.It makes sense to me that it is true as one of Billy Bulger's daughters lived right near hem at one time.
---Even if the FBI did not know he lived in California (very doubtful), then certainly a lot of other people or hacks in MA.
knew....Because we all know around here in MA that to whom much is given much can be expected.
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Intheknow2 wrote:
I'm no fan of Whitey but Jay Carney's theory is not hat far fetched. First,you have to remember the time frame of 1960-1990, then
the Mafia was the #1 priority fo the Justice Department when there were no meaningful rules. In this case, AUSAs Fred Wyshak
and Brian Kelly made a deal the defense attorneys when they thought they were going to lose the origin RICO case during the
Judge Wolf hearings. Wyshak, with the consent of the Justice Department and Attorney's General, gave IMMUNITY to John
Martorano(22 Murders), Pat Nee (6 Murders), Kevin Weeks (5 Murders), Frank Salemme 6-8 Murders), partial immunity to Steve
Flemmi (10-22 Murders), and others in this case alone,in exchange for testifying that "Whitey made he do it." How ironic!? Many
others go similar treatment over the years to make this prosecution scheme work but it turned into PONZI scheme. Remember Joe
Barboza? He got immunity for 50 Murders to testify against Patriaca and Gerry Anguilo
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zebraa wrote:
Lets face it, In Massachusetts we are all just a bunch of Pawns, Or to put it in more a current like perspective ..A bunch of Lab
Rats.
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zebraa wrote:
Forget Whitey, the focus is now on J Carney to see if the illogical and overwhelming pile of evidence that he must sort through will
or will not yeild multiple personality disorder or a total break down.
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Most of the JUDGES and SENIOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS make their careers building on cases like these and then put on a
WILLFULL BINDNESS (Sgt. Schultz, Hogan's Heroes) hn stf lik ths comes back to haunt them. This is probably why this case
should be tried with a Specially Assigned Judge from New York or DC who has an understanding of how government works and
familiar with Mafia and Governent corruption type cases
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Sammi007 wrote:
OMG! I would love to see a copy of that filing - it must be a veritable who's who of Boston figureheads. Can the Globe please post a
link to a scanned PDF? Thanks!
6/26/2012 9:24 AM EDT
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SingleVoice wrote:
Unless this judge recuses himself, it really is beginning to look as if this case cannot be properly administered and tried in Boston.
Fresh, objective judicial perspective, and justice for the victims need to remain the focus of this case.
We'll be seeing this same scenario played out in the years to come relative to the capitulation of our most senior national leaders to
war crimes and torture.
Welcome to the future and to what occurs when justice is not properly administered along the way.
6/26/2012 9:38 AM EDT
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zebraa wrote:
SingleVoice wrote:
Unless this judge recuses himself, it really is beginning to look as if this case cannot be properly administered and tried in Boston.
Fresh, objective judicial perspective, and justice for the victims need to remain the focus of this case.
We'll be seeing this same scenario played out in the years to come relative to the capitulation of our most senior national leaders to
war crimes and torture.
Welcome to the future and to what occurs when justice is not properly administered along the way.
------Out of State ??, It sounds like we are trying to cover up the fact that there may have been a whole lot more unaccounted for or
peripheral victims that resulted from this entire debacle.
6/26/2012 9:50 AM EDT
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zebraa wrote:
The problem with having the case tried in Massachusetts is that everybody knows or has worked under somebody like these two
characters (that were on the run).
LOL, (ie) and to some they are lovingly refered to as Real charming straight shooters.
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zebraa wrote:
yup, you guessed it a Boston Herald reader type.
The problem with stretching out this case is that all the opportunist crooks will take advantage of the situation while the justice
department is enmeshed in the case. It happens all the time here in MA.
We will end up with a "hacks gone wild" situation while the studied masses are distracted with this case.
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suprdav wrote:
Diplomatic immunity?
Double secret immunity?
Laws don't apply to me immunity?
The whole affair has been based on lies, deceit, and corruption. They'll deal with this issue and then the trial will proceed.
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zebraa wrote:
In massachusetts a lot of rather unsuspecting individuals have immunity to lie, be deceitful, cheat and be corrupt. Its what makes
Massachusetts so unique.
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laurie19 wrote:
The edit Gods are a little extra sensitive on Bulger comments. .
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nancyka wrote:
So, maybe he wouldn't have murdered all those people if he didn't think he had immunity? I guess we must all try to
understand how unfair it is for the government to give someone a license to kill and then have the nerve to renege
on its offer.
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zebraa wrote:
The list included who's who of former federal prosecutors, including former Gov. William F. Weld, a former US
attorney; as well as former US attorneys Frank McNamara Jr., and Wayne Budd; and former acting US attorney
Jeremiah O'Sullivan, who died in 2009. The list also included federal agents, as well as state and local police
officers.
---Well Governor Weld has made a few bad character decisions here in MA. (they probably charmed him and got him
drunk before he made them). As for Wayne Budd I always thought he was one of the Good guys (he always gave
that impression)..A sense that things in MA. were changing for the good.
I guess I was wrong.
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zebraa wrote:
They were giving a license to kill to a opportunist oriented group or guy that have a well proven track record of
ceasing any chaotic situation for unethical gain.
It is just mind bogling.
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zebraa wrote:
People who create situations any and every chance they get just so they can enjoy the schadenfreude of it all.
6/26/2012 12:33 PM EDT
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who-cares-1940 wrote:
yabba2010 wrote: "If after 30 years the Mass judiciary, law enforcement, media, and legislative powers can't bring
this mobster-killer to justice, then don't even talk to me anymore about this story."
You and several other here have blamed the state judiciary and state officials. In fact this is a Federal case involving
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal district attorney, and Federal courts.
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CapeCodBear wrote:
clambelly's back!
6/26/2012 12:44 PM EDT
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