OCCE Discussion Thread: Related Question – Residential Job Postings
November 16, 2005
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11/16/2005 12:59 PM
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Hi all - Angie's e-mail caused me to want some further answers on a
related issue.
We have been receiving more and more residential job postings. These
are to provide care for people with disabilities, tutors, residential
jobs i.e. gardening, computer assistance, home repair, moving boxes,
provide care for the elderly etc.
They are often looking for students from the Social Service Worker,
Child & Youth Worker, Nursing, ECE programs to provide these
services. Is there an implied liability that they think they are
hiring "qualified" people to perform these services?
I feel that we need to develop a policy at Lambton College on how to
handle these postings (if at all) Since we post our information
online I am concerned about putting much of this information out
there.
I also am concerned about the liability of our students working in
home care situations but by the same token it can often be a positive
experience.
I also find that these people take more time to deal with explain what
they have to do to post the job etc.
Do other college have a policy surrounding posting these types of jobs
and if so would you share it.
What are your thoughts and how do you handle these postings or how do
you turn down these requests? I don't want to have to always refer
them to the appropriate agency for these types of postings as this can
become time consuming as well.
Thanks for you help-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karen McClughan, Co-op & Career Services
Lambton College, 1457 London Rd. Sarnia ON N7S 6K4
PH (519) 542 7751 Ext. 3386 FAX (519) 541 2421
Office # A218 # 15 www.lambton.on.ca
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Replies:
"Smith, Bob" <bob.smith@canadorec.on.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 01:11 PM
Good point Karen,
At Canadore I post a few jobs that revolve around personal care ECE, SSW
etc. I talk to the person and if I don't feel it is an appropriate request
I don't post it. For instance a (supposed) disabled male specifies a
female PSW.... it doesn't get posted. Perhaps we do need another policy
rather than relying on Career Services gut feelings.
Angie,
I have not received the e mail but a hotmail with no particulars doesn't
cut it. I am waiting for an answer back from our Aboriginal Learning Unit
Counselors as this maybe a first nation's initiative.
Bob S
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------"Lycett, Wendy" <WLycett@fanshawec.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 01:31 PM
Hi Karen,
As I stated at Fanshawe we have a policy of not posting such jobs for
the reasons you mentioned. Here is what is written on the employer
posting section of our website:
>>Fanshawe College Career Services does not post personal service or
private home jobs such as child care, homecare for the elderly or
disabled, landscaping or interior design. For service, we recommend that
you contact an appropriate business or agency. Many Fanshawe
students/graduates own or are employed with such firms. Alternatively,
the local Human Resources Development Centre (HRDC) number can be found
in the telephone book blue pages or through: www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca >>
I should mention, we will post private care jobs for DSW and PSW but
only IF there is the appropriate insurance and protection in place for
the employee. We did go through several channels here at the college
before putting this policy in place.
Wendy
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------Joanne McDonald <mcdonaj@algonquincollege.com>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 01:42 PM
Hi! Karen:
This is a huge topic. We don't have an official policy surrounding these
postings. We do accept and post these requests unless as Bob mentioned
there is something obviously not right about it or if it is breaching some
official legislation.
When the media (newspaper, tv or radio) advertise something or broadcast a
program, they are not usually liable. Often you even see them post a
message stating that "the opinions are not shared by the station
broadcasting the program, etc."
We are not actually placing the students or graduates into these jobs. We
are posting them as option for the job seekers to consider and research.
Perhaps it would be useful to invite a legal expert of some sort to
provide some feedbackat one of our P.D. sessions. It would be interesting
to have an open question/answer forum to perhaps clarify where our
liabilities lie with these types of postings.
Anyway, these are just a few thoughts.
Thank you for bringing this up, Karen.
Joanne
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------Janet Forfar <JFORFAR@niagarac.on.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 01:43 PM
At Niagara we also have a policy of not posting personal service or
private home jobs with the exception of the funded families arranging home
care for family with special needs. We refer all others to the HRDC Job
site. Faculty have agreed with this, especially for the home day
care/babysitting positions.
Janet
Janet Forfar
Consultant, Graduate Services
The Job Centre
Niagara College
Phone: (905) 735-2211, Ext. 7787
Fax: (905) 988-4303
e-mail: jforfar@niagarac.on.ca
To post a job go to www.niagarac.on.ca/jobpost
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------Angie Paisley <Angie.Paisley@dc-uoit.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 01:49 PM
Hi Karen, We are the same as Algonquin - we post, but have a disclaimer
on each job posting that states something to this effect - "while we
strive to ensure the accuracy and validity of each posting, it is up to
the student to ascertain working conditions, nature of employment, etc.
etc.....in other words, buyer beware.
Joanne, I think that is an excellent idea for PD. And thank you all for
responding to my request earlier, I am going to take you up on your
advice!!
Angie
Angie Paisley
Career Advisor
Durham College and University of Ontario Institute of Technology
Career + Employment Services
2000 Simcoe St. N.
Oshawa, ON L1H 7L7
(905) 721-3111 ext. 2208
(905) 721-3112 (fax)
angie.paisley@dc-uoit.ca
To post a job, visit http://jobsite.dc-uoit.ca
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------"Lycett, Wendy" <WLycett@fanshawec.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 02:05 PM
Besides the legal side of it, what about the bad press IF something
happens to a student or to the person they were caring for?
I just hate the thought of someone's career being stopped short before
it begins because of injury, accident, or a mistake made in an
unsupervised environment.
Interesting questions!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------Karen McClughan <karenm@lambton.on.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/16/2005 02:17 PM
I am glad to see this is such a hot topic. We have tried to involve
faculty
in some of this but they seem to have a "hands off" on this topic. Please
keep more of your thoughts coming in. I need all of the help and advice
you
can provide.
Wendy - thank you for submitting your policy - this is great!!
Thank you all again for being such a supportive organization. I always
know
where to go for help.
Karen
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Karen McClughan, Co-op & Career Services
Lambton College, 1457 London Rd. Sarnia ON N7S 6K4
PH (519) 542 7751 Ext. 3386 FAX (519) 541 2421
Office # A218 # 15 www.lambton.on.ca
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Betty Cree <BCREE@flemingc.on.ca>
Sent by: maiser@algonquincollege.com
11/17/2005 09:51 PM
Greetngs: At Fleming we also have concerns regarding liability and plan
to talk about them during oru next meeting. However, we do have one
policy that we stick to and it is that if you post a job with us the pay
must be at least minimum wage. Plus it must be shown on the job posting
(so they don't tell us one thing and the student another). We advise
our employers tht we are a public institution and cannot be listing
jobs to students on our on-line posting system that pay $3, $4 or $5 per
hour. This quite often discourages them. I always tell them they can
pay a different salary by posting their job on the grocery store boards
if they wish but not through the college.
Betty