DISH-LNB’S-IRD Set up
I will start posting different set ups in this thread
IMPORTANT.
1- Always turn off( at back panel switch or unplug it from power outlet) your IRD
before you make any connection. DiseqC and 22 khz switches are sensitive to short
outs and power surges.
2- Start connections from LNB’s to the receiver. LNB’s-switches-inline amplifiers if
required( > 100 ft)-receiver.
3- Use appropriated connectors and tools. This will reduce voltage drops and signal
attenuation
4- Fasten all connector with a wrench if possible.
We will use only one lnb output for these two options if you lnb is dual
Remember
a-single-one head and one output
b-dual- one head and two outputs
c-twin-two heads and 2 or 4 outputs
d-triple-three heads and 2 or 4 outputs
1- First Picture. Two DTV 18" Round Dish or another single dish w/ single or dual
lnb(lnb must be circular polarization). One pointing 119 and one 110
Connect 119 to Sat 1 and 110 to Sat 2
Antenna set UP
ECHO 7(119)
Lnb type-standard
lo freq-11250
22khz-Off
diseqC-1
lnb power-ON (pansat X fixes doesnt required this)
Positioner-disable
ECHO6,8(110)
lnB type-Standard
lo freq-11250
22khz-OFF
diseqC-2
Lnb power-ON
Positioner disable
2- Picture. Four DTV 18" or similar single dish with circular polarization lnb for DN
110-119-61.5(or 148 West Coast) and BEV 91 . Connect 61,5 to SAT 3 and 91 to
SAT 4.
ECHO 7-same as above
ECHO6,8-same as above
ECHO 3(61.5) or ECHO1,2(148). All the same but diseqC-#3
Nimiq 1(91). Same but diseqC-#4
You can choose only three sats and let one DiseqC input open. You can also pick four
sats as you whick
DISH 500 Pro Set up
1- PICTURE 1 is the called DIsh 500 Pro black label. This WORKS with FTA receivers.
2- PICTURE 2. This Dish 500 DOESNT WORK W/ FTA receivers
3- PICTURE 3. It shows the two types of LNB’s. First one WONT WORK. Second WILL
WORK.
4- PICTURE 4. Installation one Dish 500 Pro and one or two receivers. It will work
with the following set up.
Go to antenna set up and right arrow on ECHO7 and ECHO 6,8, then OK and in
ECHO 7(119) set
lnb type-Standard
Loq freq- 11250
22khz-OFF
DiseqC-Tone A or #1
Lnb power(if apply)-ON
Positioner-Disable
in
ECHO 6,8(110) same as above but
DiseqC-Tone B or #2
Now you need to go to MENU and scroll down to TP/Edit and edit ECHO 7 and ECHO
6,8 Tps. You need to change all Horizontal polarity to Vertical due to the fact that
Dish Pro uses stacked technology(bandstacking scheme the IF frequency of the
horizontal block is shifted upwards to vertical) They will need to be edited for
example( just go to Menu-Installaytion-Tp/edit and set all to V) then subtract all
horiz. transps. frequencies from 25600. enter result as your new transp freq. (IE. on
sat 119 transp 6 is 12297h. doing the subtraction, you get 13303. So change transp
6 to 13303). This is needed because dishpro LNB’s use an oscillator that runs at
25600mhz. this is mixed with the horizontal transp freqs and new freqs are
generated.
Edited tps will be as follow.
1=12224,V,20000
2=13361,V,20000
3=12253,V,20000
4=13332,V,20000
5=12282,V,20000
6=13303,V,20000
7=12311,V,20000
8=13274,V,20000
9=12341,V,20000
10=13245,V,20000
11=12370,V,20000
12=13216,V,20000
13=12399,V,20000
14=13186,V,20000
15=12428,V,20000
16=13157,V,20000
17=12457,V,20000
18=13128,V,20000
19=12486,V,20000
20=13099,V,20000
21=12516,V,20000
22=13070,V,20000
23=12545,V,20000
24=13041,V,20000
25=12574,V,20000
26=13012,V,20000
27=12603,V,20000
28=12982,V,20000
29=12632,V,20000
30=12953,V,20000
31=12661,V,20000
32=12924,V,20000
Of course you do not need to edit a horizontal Tp if it doesnt exist in a sat.(I.E 119
has 21 tps only, so you must edit 12239(2), 12268(4), 12297(6), 12325(8),
12355(10), 12384(12), 12414(14), 12443(16), 12472(18), 12501(20)
This will work for DN 61.5-110-119-148 and BEV 82, 91 and any Dish Pro Lnb. You
can use a Dish 500 Pro to get BEV 82(nimiq2) and 91(nimiq1)
After editing transponders you can scan your sats.
-It is easier just to load a DishPro channel list with gtool.
-You can open any channel list (no dish pro modified) with gtool, edit tps as shown
above and then load new modified list.
Tp 1= Do not change frequency
Tp 2= Change 12239 to 13361. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 3= Do not change frequency
Tp 4= Change 12268 to 13332. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 5= Do not change frequency
Tp 6= Change 12297 to 13303. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 7= Do not change frequency
Tp 8= Change 12326 to 13274. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 9= Do not change frequency
Tp 10= Change 12355 to 13245. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 11= Do not change frequency
Tp 12= Change 12384 t0 13216. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 13= Do not change frequency
Tp 14= Change 12414 to 13186. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 15= Do not change frequency
Tp 16= Change 12443 to 13157. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 17= Do not change frequency
Tp 18= Change 12472 to 13128. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 19= Do not change frequency
Tp 20= Change 12501 to 13099. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 21= Do not change frequency
Tp 22= Change 12530 to 13070. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 23= Do not change frequency
Tp 24= Change 12559 to 13041. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 25= Do not change frequency
Tp 26= Change 12588 to 13012. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 27= Do not change frequency
Tp 28= Change 12618 to 12982. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 29= Do not change frequency
Tp 30= Change 12647 to 12953. Change polarity to Vertical.
Tp 31= Do not change frequency
Tp 32= Change 12676 to 12924. Change polarity to Vertical.
For FSS 11.7-12.2 KHz LNB’s. Oscillator runs to 24600. Then u must subtract
horizontal tp freq from 24600
For FSS 11.2-11.7 KHz LNB’s Oscillator runs to 23600
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DTV OVAL Paratodos or Dish 500 Legacy Dulas and DTV 4X4 Multiswitch
This set up will allow you to get Charlie 110-119 or Bev 82-91.
1- Picture#1. DTV OVAL paratodos two dual LNB’s. You must relocate the left (101)
lnd to the center position(110). WORK with FTA receivers
2- Picture#2. Dish 500 legacy two separated dual LNB’s. WORK with FTA receivers.
3- Picture#3. DTV 4X4 22khz multiswitch Channel Master
4- Picture#4. DTV 4X4 22khz multiswitch Eagle-Aspen
5- Picture#5. Wiring diagram. You need to set up antenna in you receiver as follow:
ECHO7(119)
Lnb type-Standard
lo freq- 11250
22khz-ON
diseqC-OFF
LNB power-ON(if apply)
Positioner-Disable
ECHO6,8(110) same as abobe but
22khz-OFF
You can use this set up for Bev 82 and 91 . Use 119 Set up for Nimiq1(91) and 110
for Nimiq2(82)
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DN and DTV dishes that wont work with FTA
1-2- DN Dish 500 Twin gray
3-Dave phase III triple lnb. Three LNB’s in one enclosure and built in multiswitch.
UPDATED It will work for 110(limited) and 91. Go to Post#17
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Switches that WILL NOT WORK with FTA IRDs for switching sats
Dn Sw21, Sw21x, Sw42, Sw44, Sw64
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FTA working switches
FTA receivers are Diseqc, 22khz and 12V switching complaints. Most of the FTA
receivers manufactured for North America, do not have the 12volt switching option.
12v switching must be close to the receiver, so you will need to run two cable to
inside the house.For example Fortec Lifetime 03-04 does it.
I prefer 22khz switching. They are more reliable.
DiseqC switches work as well, but it depend the manufacturer and internal parts. I
will recommend
-TOKYPSAT
-JETCOM
-STarSat
-Perfect Vision
-OLD Pansat ( the ones with a weather proof plastic enclosure)
- Lastest PANSATs 4X1 I have bought work perfect
I wont recommend
-Spacelab
-New Pansat
-DMS. Some peeps have reported they work but i have a bad experiences.
these bad ones work better when they are close to the receivers.
I prefer switches as close as posible to your IRD and no longer than 75 feet.
Eventhough manufacturers specify up to 100 ft.
1- Picture#1. DTV 4X4 is 22khz
2- Picture#2 TOKYOSAT 4X1 diseqC
3- Picture#3 Starchoice 2X2 22Khz
4- DTV 4X8 22Khz
5- DP34 3X1 DiseqC
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More Working Switches
this ones are ok
DP21 is for Dish Pro(stacked technologies) LNB only
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NOT That Good
Some work great some don’t. I wont recommend them
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DISH 500 Pro and DISH 300 Pro for 61.5-110-119
1234-
Picture#1. DP34 multiswicth(diseqc)
Dish Pro single Lnb Dish 300
Dish Pro twin Lnb Dish 500
Wiring Diagram
Receiver antenna set up
ECHO 7(119)
Lnb type-Standard
Lo freq-11250
22khz-OFF
DiseqC-#1
Lnb Power-ON(if apply)
Positioner-Disable.
ECHO 6,8(110) same as above but
DiseqC-#2
ECHO 3(61.5) same as above but
DiseqC-#3
You will need edit horizontal Tps as explained on previous post (post #3) or load a
Dish Pro channel list
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Getting 8 Satellites on one FTA receiver
This is the wiring diagram for getting 8 Satellites in only one IRD.
Remember for Charlie and BEv downstream you will need circular polarity LNB’s, for
KU band satellites G10, T5, AMCs , etc you will need linear polarity.
You can not use universal LNB’s because this set up will use 22khz tone for
switching.
IRD antenna set up
SAT 1
Lnb type- Standard
Lo freq- 11250 for charlie and BEV or 10750 for the Ku band standard LNB’s.
22Khz-ON
DiseqC-#1
Lnb power-ON (if apply)
Positioner-Disable
SAT 2 same as above but
DiseqC-#2
Sat 3 same as above but
DiseqC-#3
Sat 4 same as above but
DiseqC-#4
Sat 5 same as above but
22KHZ-OFF
DiseqC-#1
SAT 6
22KHz-OFF
DiseqC-#2
SAT 7
22Khz-OFF
DiseqC-#3
SAT 8
22KHZ-OFF
DiseqC-#4
One receiver 12 or 16 sats
For those receivers with 12V switching option
Up to 4 Receivers and 8 Satellites
You will need
1- 4 DTV 4X4 Multiswitch
2- Four 4X1 diseqC Switches.
3- LNB’s must be DUAL for switching polarities
Important. ANY MULTIRECEIVERS SETUP WILL REQUIRE DUAL LNB’s or LNBFs.
PERIOD
Satellites frequency space is limited, so to get extra bandwidth polarization is used.
The frequencies are transmitted in two opposite patterns, allowing a frequency to be
used twice, but i wont interfere with each other. This will double the amount of
channel downstream. A conventional satellite system, the selection of polarization is
done by 2 different voltages, typically 13V(Odd tps) and 18V(Even Tps). A single LNB
can only output one set of these frequencies at a time. For example if you connect
two IRD to a single LNB using a splitter, it will work fine, until each IRDs select a
transponder with different polarity, then the IRD selecting the EVEN transponders
will output 18v, and overide the IRD selecting 13v ODD transponders. so this second
IRD wont be able to see any Channels from ODD transponders, but if u change
channel to an EVEN Tp you will see it.
A Dual has 2 separate elements inside pointing to the same SAT, it is like two LNB’s
in one enclosure. Using a switch like DTV 4x4 or a 3X4 multiswitch, will direct one
polarity(13V) to one side of the LNB and other(18V) to the other side. One side will
get ODD tps and the other EVEN tps. So when different receivers select different
polarities, they will never get the channels from the same side.
SET UP
Lnb type - Standard
lo freq- 11250 for BEV and DN, 10750 for KuBand T5. Globo, AMC, etc
LNB Power-ON (if apply0
12V-OFF ( if apply)
Positioner-Disable
SAT1
22KHZ-ON
DiseqC-#1
SAT2
22KHZ-OFF
DiseqC-#1
SAT3
22KHZ-ON
DiseqC-#2
SAT4
22KHZ-OFF
DiseqC-#2
SAT5
22KHZ-ON
DiseqC-#3
SAT6
22KHZ-OFF
DiseqC-#3
SAT7
22KHZ-ON
DiseqC-#4
SAT8
22KHZ-OFF
DiseqC-#4
You must install switches as close as possible to the receivers. If you lose signal level
due to the cable lenght, conexions and cascade, you may install a signal amplifier
just before the IRDs
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Other Working Switches for FTA
1- SMS 4X4 22 khz
2- Eagle 4X4 22 KHz
3- Microyal 2X1 22 KHz
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MULTI SATS/RECEIVERS using 3X4 or 2X4 DTV multiswitches
What u need
1- DUAl LNB’s. One per sat. This set up allows you to use universal LNB’s for any FTA
sat you want to get, because we are not using 22Khz tone switches. Jus set localfreq 10600 for the universal lnb
2- 3X4 Multiswitches( they have an UHF/VHF input for diplexing you cable or antenna
signal) or 2X4 Multiswitches( no input for diplexing). You need one per LNB
3- 4X1 DiseqC Switches. You will need one per receiver
SET UP
Lnb type - Standard
lo freq- 11250 for BEV and DN, 10750(standard linear LNB’s) or 10600(universal
LNB’s) for FSS KuBand -T5. Globo, AMC, etc
LNB Power-ON (if apply)
22KHZ-OFF
12V-OFF ( if apply)
Positioner-Disable
SAT 1- DiseqC#1
SAT2- DiseqC#2
SAT3-DiseqC#3
SAT4- DiseqC#4
picture1- wiring diagram
pictures 2,3,4,5. 3X4 multiswitches. there are a lot manufacturer out there which
make these switches.
For 4X1 diseqC switches see previous posts.
See picture #5. Oval dish and four LNB’s for BEV 82-91 and DN 110-119
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