Airframe and
Powerplant Certificate
Seminar
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MCAS Miramar
San Diego Flight Standards
District Office Guide To
Obtaining Airframe &
Powerplant Authorization For
Military Members
Presented By:
Gary Glenn & Tom Marquez
Purpose
To Streamline The Process For
Both Military Members And The
FAA
OVERVIEW
 Federal
 FAA
Regulations
Order
 Required
Form
 Documents
Experience
That Verify YOUR
OVERVIEW (continued)
 Actual
Authorization Procedure
 Questions????????
REGULATIONS
 Title
14 of the Code Of Federal
Regulations (14 CFR) Part 65, Subpart, D
Mechanics.
 www.faa.gov
Look under the tab
“Regulations & Policies”.
REGULATIONS (continued)

FAR 65.71, Subpart D (Eligibility
Requirements)
1.
Must be 18 years of age.
2.
Be able to read, write speak and understand the
English language.
3.
Have passed all of the prescribed tests within a
period of 24 months.
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REGULATIONS (continued
FAR 65.75, Subpart D (Knowledge
Requirements)
1.
2.
Each applicant MUST pass a written test
covering the construction and
maintenance of aircraft.
Applicant MUST pass each section of the
tests before applying for the oral &
practical tests.
REGULATIONS (continued)

FAR 65.77, Subpart D
(Experience Requirements)
1.
At least 18 months of practical
experience appropriate to the Airframe or
Powerplant rating.
At least 30 months of practical
experience concurrently performing the
duties appropriate to both the Airframe
and Powerplant ratings.
2.
REGULATIONS (continued)

1.
2.
FAR 65.79, Subpart D (Skill
Requirements)
Applicant must pass an oral and
practical test on the rating he/she
seeks.
An applicant for a Powerplant rating
must show his/her ability working
with propellers.
FAA ORDER
Order 8900.1 “Flight Information
Management System”.
“When evaluating military experience,
aviation safety inspectors are not to accept
military occupational specialty (MOS) or
Air Force Specialty Codes (AFSC) “carte
blanche” as qualifications to accepting
experience of FAR 65.77.
 FAA
FAA ORDER (continued)
FAA Order 8900.1 “Flight Information Management
System”.
Even though the MOS suggest authorization
for either airframe, powerplant or both the
A&P certificates, the inspector will perform
a thorough interview and detailed review of
records, to determine if the applicant qualifies
under 65.77.
FAA ORDER (continued)

“To help speed the review process, the applicant is
encouraged to supply the following.”
A letter from the applicant’s executive officer,
maintenance officer or classification officer that
certifies the applicant’s length of military service,
the amount of time the applicant worked in each
MOS, the make and model of aircraft and/or
engine on which the applicant acquired the
practical experience, and where the experience
was obtained.”
FORMS

1.
2.
3.
4.
FAA Form 8610-2 “Airman
Certification And/Or Rating
Application”
Available at www.faa.gov
Click on “Licenses & Certificates”
This form is located under the heading
“Forms”. It is a two page form.
Fill out one copy BUT DO NOT SIGN OR
DATE IT!!!!!!
DOCUMENTS THAT VERIFY
YOUR EXPERIENCE
Anything that documents your MOS/AFSC code
and experience to include:
 DD 214
 Letter from the applicants Executive,
Maintenance or Classification Officer verifying
experience.
 Diplomas from completed aviation related
courses with hours completed.
 Any documents that verify military experience
and training.
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURE




The applicant fills out one FAA Form 8610-2.
DO NOT SIGN OR DATE IT!
Assemble all supporting documents that verify
MOS code's) and experience. (If you are not
sure about a document, BRING IT)!
Call San Diego Flight Standards at 858-5029882 and make an appointment to see an
Airworthiness Inspector.
Be on time. If you are going to be late, call the
FSDO and let us know.
We are located at:
San Diego Flight Standards
8525 Gibbs Drive
Suite 120
San Diego, CA 92123
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURE (continued)
Once at the FSDO, the Inspector will:
 Review your FAA Form 8610-2. (Bring a
photo identification).
 Review all your supporting documentation
to determine your MOS code's.
 Interview the applicant to determine if
he/she qualifies under FAR 65.77.
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURE (continued)
 If
you fail to meet the requirements of FAR
65.77, the Inspector will explain why.
 When you meet the requirements of FAR
65.77, the inspector will make another
copy of your FAA Form 8610-2. You both
will then sign and date BOTH copies.
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURE (continued)
 DO
NOT lose these two signed forms.
They are good indefinitely. If you lose
them, you get to start this process ALL
over again.
 Once you take your first written test, you
must pass all the required tests within a 24
month period. (Plenty of time)!!
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURE (continued)
 The
Inspector will give you a list of
facilities in the San Diego area where you
can take the written tests.
 He will also give you a list of Designated
Mechanic Examiners (DME) in the San
Diego Area. (There are two examiners).
They administer the Oral & Practical
tests.
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURE

There are three sections to the written
test. They are:
1.
General:
2.
Airframe:
3.
Powerplant:
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURES (continued)
FAILED WRITTEN TESTS
 The testing facility will annotate the second page
of your 8610-2 and identify the specific area that
needs attention.
 If you can find an Airframe and or Powerplant
Mechanic (depending on the area that needs
attention), he/she can give you instruction and
prepare a letter indicating additional instruction
received in each subject previously failed. You
can then re-test the next day or later as
determined by your mechanic.
ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION
PROCEDURES (continued)
FAILED WRITTEN TESTS (CONTINUED)
 If you do not have access to an Airframe
or Powerplant mechanic, you will have to
wait 30 days to re-test.
What Happens When You Pass
The Written Exams?
Go see a DME (Designated Mechanic
Examiner) who will administer:
An Oral and Practical (hands on) test.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FAIL THE
ORAL & PRACTICAL??
The DME will advise you of your options.
You can review these options in:
FAA Order 8900.2 Change 1, page 6-12.
However, the DME will list the areas failed
on the back of your 8610-2.
Oral & Practical Failure-continued..
If you retest within 30 calendar days of the
previous test, you must contact the DME to set
up a new test date. You will present a statement
to the DME from an airman holding the
certificate and rating sought by the applicant,
certifying that the airman has given the applicant
additional instruction in each of the subjects
failed and that the airman considers the
applicant ready for retesting. The DME should
retest you if you have met the requirements.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
WE APPRECIATE
EVERYTHING YOU
DO!!
Aviation Maintenance
Technician
Airframe, General & Power Plant
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
Aviation Maintenance Technician
Airframe
• Test Code
•
AMA
•
100
•
None
•
2 hours
•
70
• Number of Questions
• Age Requirement
• Allotted time
• Passing Score
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Aviation Maintenance Technician
General
• Test Code
•
AMG
•
60
•
None
•
2 hours
•
70
• Number of Questions
• Age Requirement
• Allotted time
• Passing Score
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Aviation Maintenance Technician
Power Plant
• Test Code
•
AMP
•
100
•
None
•
2 hours
•
70
• Number of Questions
• Age Requirement
• Allotted time
• Passing Score
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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•
Acceptable forms of
Authorization (All Tests)
Original FAA Form 8610-2, Airman Certificate and/or Rating
Application
•
•
Make sure all applicable blocks on the upper left side of the form
are properly filled out
Block V must have the following
•
•
•
•
•
Inspector’s original signature
FAA District Identifier
Date
You retain both original 8610-2 forms issued by the Flight
Standards District Office (FSDO)
Graduates of a Part 147 School that is officially affiliated with a
testing center can leave Block V blank
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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Acceptable forms of
Authorization (All Tests)
• A graduate of a Part 147 School officially affiliated with
a testing center,
•
•
May take the knowledge test upon presentation of an
appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion
to the affiliated testing center
AND
•
•
•
Graduate’s name
Graduation date
Curriculum from which he or she graduated
• Must also be in the certified list received from the Part 147 school
prior to administering the appropriate test
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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Registration and Payment
• Required Identification
•
U.S. Citizen/ Resident Alien
•
•
•
•
•
•
Driver's license issued by US state or territory
U.S. government identification card
Passport
U.S. Military Identification Card
Alien Residency Card
Non U.S. Citizen/Non-Resident Alien
•
•
•
Must provide passport and
Driver License issued by a state or U.S. territory
Military ID Card
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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Registration and Payment
(continued)
• You must have something with your current address on
it
•
Government ID is best
•
But other things such as a
• utility bill is acceptable
• DVV vehicle registration etc.
•
•
are acceptable
This will be photo copied so it must be legible
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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Registration and Payment
(continued)
• Pay with a credit card
•
Phone PSI at 800-211-2753
•
•
•
•
•
•
Monday through Friday 0600-1700
Saturdays 0600-1400
Cost is 150 dollars or 140 dollars for AOPA/EAA members
Our site code is 92103
At the end of the call you will receive an eight digit locator
number
WRITE IT DOWN AND BRING WITH YOU
• Pay with cash at SDFTI
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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Acceptable forms of retest
Authorization (All Tests)
• Original failed, passing or expired test report
• If above not available
•
You may present an expired test/credit letter issued by the
Airmen Certification Branch (AFS-76)
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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Retesting policy (All Tests)
•
30 day waiting period
•
If you have a failed test without a signed statement
• The 30 day waiting period is waived
•
Presents a signed statement from an airman holding the
rating/certificate sought by the applicant
•
It must certify that the airman has given applicant additional
instruction in each subject that is failed and the airman considers
the applicant ready for retesting
• The original failed test report be retained by the proctor
and attached to the application sign-in/out log
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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My Contact Information
• Philip L. Thalheimer
• San Diego Flight Training International
•
•
•
8745 Aero Dr.
Suite 103
San Diego, CA
• 858-569-1822
• Phil@sdfti.com
• www.sdfti.com
Philip L. Thalheimer--SDFTI
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AIRFRAME AND
POWERPLANT, ORAL AND
PRACTICAL TESTS
Ted Hazlewood
F.A.A. Approved Aviation Maintenance Technician Program

The purpose of the Aviation Maintenance
Technician Program at Miramar is to prepare
candidates to test for the Mechanic’s
Certificate.

Objectives and standards for the Program are
set by Federal Aviation Regulation. 14CFR147

Program completion meets the experience
requirement of 14CFR65.77

The Program is 1900 hours long by F.A.A. rule.

It is currently 78 units of College credit along with a Certificate
of Completion from the College.

An Associate of Science Degree can be earned with an
additional 18 units of General Education and District required
courses.

The Program is broken into three major
sections:
 General
 Airframe
 Powerplant

Each section is further broken into individual
subject classes
 This allows students the flexibility to adjust their
course load to fit their time requirements.

The program is set up to complete the requirements
in 5 semesters. Could be 6 in today’s economic
environment.

All students start with the General classes.





AVIM 101G
AVIM 102G
AVIM 101H
AVIM 102H
Classes are given both day and night in order to
accommodate students’ schedules.
Aviation
Maintenance Technology
Part 65 Certificate
Powerful preparation for your Airframe
and Powerplant Certificate
MCAS Miramar
San Diego & North Island campuses
San Diego campus (858) 576-4375
North Island campus (619) 435-1293
Email us at: sandiego@erau.edu
Two options of when pursuing your
A&P License
1. Part 147 of the FARs (Miramar College)
2. Part 65.77 of the FARs
(Embry-Riddle’s program)
Part 65.77
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an
appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a
certified aviation maintenance technician school or documentary
evidence, satisfactory to the administrator, of:
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures,
practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used
in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants
appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing
the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
6 Core Courses to the AMNT Certificate Program

AMNT 240 General Aeronautics & Apps

AMNT 260 Aircraft Electrical Systems Theory

AMNT 270 Airframe Structures & Apps

AMNT 271 Airframe Systems & Apps

AMNT 280 Powerplant Theory & Apps
(Reciprocating)

AMNT 281 Aircraft Propulsion Systems &
(Turbine)
Apps
AMNT 240 General
AMNT 260 Electrical
AMNT 270 AF Structures
AMNT 271 AF Systems
AMNT 280 PP Theory
AMNT 281 PP Systems
General Test
Airframe Test
Powerplant Test
COURSE
ACTIVE DUTY TUITION*
TA
STUDENT COST
AMNT240
$780.00
$750.00
$30.00
AMNT260
$780.00
$750.00
$30.00
AMNT270
$780.00
$750.00
$30.00
AMNT271
$780.00
$750.00
$30.00
AMNT280
$780.00
$750.00
$30.00
AMNT281
$780.00
$750.00
$30.00
TOTAL COST USING TA
$180.00
*Classroom based tuition costs, see campus for distance learning rates
• Courses in the AMNT Series are academic courses
and can be used toward completion of several
degree programs offered by Embry-Riddle:
 Associate/Bachelor of Science in Aviation
Maintenance
 Associate/Bachelor of Science in Aeronautics
 Associate/Bachelor of Science in Technical
Management
Aviation
Maintenance Technology
Part 65 Certificate
Powerful preparation for your Airframe
and Powerplant Certificate
MCAS Miramar
Leverage Your Military
Experience
MCAS Miramar Education Center
Review All Options

U.S Navy / Marine Corps Airframe & Powerplant
(NMCAPP) certificate program
 POC

SSgt Thomas
jeremy.g.thomas@navy.mil
1-850-452-9700 ext 3233
Gather evidence of your hands on experience to
provide for the FAA
 Reference
checklist
Questions
(For any of the presenters)