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CONTENTS
2 Letter from the President
Zach Grant
Comanche Spirit
4 The Adventures of “Speedbird”
6 ICS Name Badge Order Form
Shannon Hankins
Feature
9 Comanche Flyer Needs your Stories, Tips and Tricks!
10 ICS Board of Directors, Tribe Chiefs,
& Tribe Representatives
2011-2012 ICS Standing Committees
11 Maintenance Resource Advisors
ICS Tool Loan Program
CFF-Trained CFIs
ICS News
12 ICS 2012 Annual General Membership Meeting
Wright Brothers’ Master Pilot Award
Feature
14 Stabilator Horn Issue
Online Intelligence
16 Single Winterization
Technical Q & A
18 Piper and Lycoming Service Bulletin Source
and a Non-Starting Engine
Dave Clark
Convention News
20 North To Alaska – ICS 40th Anniversary
It’s a Party and You’re Invited!
Feature
28 2012 Baltimore Convention in Review
31 ICS Membership Renewal Form
32 ICS Items for Sale
From the Logbook
34 An African Adventure: Flying a Twin
Comanche around Africa (Part 3)
Pete Morse
Robert Limb
40 From the Tribe Chiefs
Featured Fly-In
44 Visiting Historic Vicksburg, Miss.
46 Comanche Classifieds
48 Advertisers’ Index
Hugh Hunton
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Comanche Flyer •
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LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT
B
y the time you read this, the
ICS Fall Board Meeting would
have come and gone. This fall,
we are going to be tackling some
big issues. Chief among those is how do
we, as your elected officers and board
members, ensure the continued success
of the ICS. When looking at some things
that have been historically ICS: We have
always had some version of the “Flyer,”
and we have continually been made up
of tribes, who have been responsible for
the execution of the annual convention
that encompasses the mandated Annual
General Meeting. While I spent a significant amount of time justifying the Flyer
at the convention in Baltimore, I did not
have to justify the convention itself. If I
would have been asked to do so, I would
have had great difficulty.
The folks that come to the annual
conventions always have a good time
as far as I can tell. The same folks come
back year after year, and that’s great…
BUT…less come back every year, and
the numbers are reaching the point of
not supporting the effort. For the second
year in a row (almost the third, if it were
not for some very good fortune on behalf
of the Southwest Tribe), the convention
has sustained pretty substantial losses
that can only be attributed to lack of
interest in attending. Granted, there are
so many other things that we could do
with our week than come spend a lot of
money and time with fellow Comanche
owners and pilots.
Certainly from the membership numbers NOT attending, it would seem the
majority would rather do other things.
This begs the question: Why do we put
so much effort into something if it is a
guaranteed failure? Surely, it is not fair
to the tribes and all of the volunteers,
and it certainly isn’t fair to the rest of ICS
who have to foot the bill for the society’s
share of the losses. Like it or not, we are
all paying for the conventions when they
end up in the red. The simple answer
would be that we all need to come to the
convention and make it a solid financial
success. The fact is the same people will
probably show up, because they have the
time and the money.
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modifications, alterations, or major repairs to U.S. aircraft require
FAA-approved data as a basis for beginning work, and as such should
not be based solely on information contained in this magazine. The
International Comanche Society does not endorse any piloting
adverse to published FAA regulations.
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The rest of the society needs a real
reason to attend the convention. In recent
years, the Dayton convention was the
most attended and made the most money.
It had some very cool aviation-themed
events, and we greatly benefited from the
aviation heritage of Dayton. Put another
way, people wanted to come because it
had a serious draw. How do we duplicate
that success? Well, each convention is
unique, and I would hope that we would
never be duplicating anything. I do hope
that as we go forward, we come up with a
new plan and tradition that more closely
realizes today’s societal needs and wants
and that we can transform the ICS convention from limited and unviable to
exciting and prosperous.
I hope we can keep the traditions I
mentioned alive for as long as possible.
Maybe there is an idea out there that we
haven’t thought of. If you have one, send it
to me, and we will take a look. Remember,
just because you come up with the idea,
doesn’t mean you will be stuck doing the
legwork, but if you really want to, I’m sure
no one at ICS will complain!
Happy Flying,
F o r o v e r 3 7 y e a r s , t h e I n d u s t r y Ch oice!
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ICS Past Presidents
2009-2010
Bernie Mazurek
1996
Bryce Campbell
1984
Jerry Irvin
2007-2008
Dave Fitzgerald
1995
Jess Bootman
1983
Bill Stanyer
2006
Lawrence Paratz
1994
Chuck Medicus
1982
Norn Berneche
2005
Karl Hipp
1993
Dale Vandever
1981
Ben Kitchens
2004
Skip Dykema
1992
Bill Jackson
1980
Jack Holaway
2003
John Van Bladeren
1991
Martin Busch
1979
Larry Larkin
2002
Larry Rackley
1990
George Burson
1978
Clifford Younger
2001
Robert Noble
1989
William Creech
1977
Art Shriver
2000
David Buttle
1988
Jim Fox
1976
Mike Keedy
1999
Roy Roberts
1987
Pat Rowe
1975
George Smith
1998
Harley McGatha
1986
Ted Peifer
1974
Paul Rechnitzer
1997
Charles Wiseman
1985
Bill Shank
1973
Andy Speer
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Comanche Flyer •
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C O M A N C H E
COVER STORY: COMANCHE SPIRIT
The Adventures
of “Speedbird”
by Shannon Hankins
I
t’s 8:00 a.m. on June 19, 2012. Temperatures were hitting 100-plus degrees, and it was race day! Last June,
I had the privilege of racing in my
first Air Race Classic. My co-pilot, Pam
Rudolph, and I raced in my husband’s
beloved 1959 Comanche 180. We took
off from Lake Havasu City, Ariz. on the
adventure of a lifetime.
For those who don’t know, the Air
Race Classic is an all-women transcontinental air race that had its first race
back in 1977. Its predecessor was the All
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Women’s National Air Derby, nicknamed
the “Powder Puff Derby,” which ran from
1929 until it was renamed in 1977. That
first race had participants such as Amelia
Earhart, Louise Thaden, Marvel Crossen, Bobbi Trout and Florence “Poncho”
Barnes, to name a few. The race route is
2,681 statute miles, and has a different
start and terminus every year. Every aircraft is handicapped with its fastest TAS,
and the pilots race to beat that speed.
The more knots over your handicap, the
better your score.
Opposite page:
Jon and Shannon flying the
Comanche together (above left).
Race co-pilot, Pam Rudolph
(below), and her supportive
husband, Bill.
Jon (far right) celebrating
Shannon and Pam’s successful
race finish.
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Spirit
NOVEMBER 2012
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Pam and I have longed to participate
in this historic race for many years. We
share over 20 years of enthusiasm for
flying. We are also very active in our local
99s Rio, Colo. chapter, which planned to
host the 2012 Air Race Classic. This year
with the race start being in our hometown of Lake Havasu City, we decided to
make it happen. The main concern had
been what airplane to fly. My husband,
ICS Member Jon Hankins, an enthusiastic Comanche owner, offered the use
of N5390P, and I was ecstatic! We nicknamed the Comanche “Speedbird,” and
I knew she would do a great job for Pam
and I in the race!
A Background of the Aircraft
and its Owner
Jon has owned N5390P since March
10, 2006. He bought her in Medford, Ore.,
and flew her down to her current home
in Bullhead City, Ariz. Jon is fortunate
to be able to use his 180 for work, as
well as being able to take more trips to
Texas to visit family. Working as an IA
and a maintenance supervisor for TriState CareFlight, he often needs to fly
parts, other employees, or himself to
take care of maintenance issues for the
helicopters and King Airs he is responsible for. One year he logged over 240
hours in the airplane.
We live at Sun Valley Airpark (A20)
in Fort Mohave, Ariz. Jon and I met three
years ago, and after a lot of flying to see
each other (I live in Lake Havasu City,
about a 20-minute flight from A20), we
were married November 5, 2011. Jon
and I are both avid aviators, and we have
enjoyed flying N5390P in various flight
activities with the 99s, including a local
air derby where we came in fourth place. I
work for my family and as a flight instructor in Lake Havasu City, and I’m able to
use Speedbird, on occasion, to make the
commute to work.
Back to the Race
Preparation for the race was somewhat
arduous. Since Jon is a certified IA, he
does his own maintenance on Speedbird.
This year he needed to complete the
1,000-hour gear AD and replace the stabilator horn and torque tube as part of
the annual. A lot of work went into the
annual, and Jon made sure everything
was perfect for race day.
We had a long trip ahead of us starting
in Lake Havasu. The course then went on
to Gallup, N.M.; Hereford, Texas; Goodland, Kansas; Columbus, Neb.; Watertown, S.D.; Ashland, Wis.; Sault Ste Marie,
Mich.; Benton Harbor, Mich.; and finally
finishing out in Batavia, Ohio at Sporty’s
Pilot Shop. I showed up to get Speedbird
inspected before the race and loved that
our little 180 brought so many positive
memories and comments from the volunteers. Most of the pilots were talking
so fondly of my Comanche 180. One of
the inspectors affectionately called her
“Baby Comanche.”
Race day came, and Pam and I were
ready. We took off out of Havasu number
27 out of 49 racers, headed to Gallup,
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our first stop, with full power the
whole way and trying to fly the most
perfect cross-country flight we could.
N5390P is strong and fast, and we
loved flying her as fast as she could
go for four days. Enduring turbulence
and weather conditions that made for
challenging decisions, we learned a
tremendous amount about flying and
about ourselves.
We landed in Batavia at Sporty’s
Friday morning, June 22. Our supportive husbands were cheering for
us on the ground, and
we couldn’t
believe that
we were the
third airplane to finish the Air Race Classic. Our final score placed us 24th out
of the 49 racers. We were second place
in leg six and the second fastest Piper
aircraft in the race. We were elated! It
was our first race, and we learned so
much. Speedbird did a great job! We love
our “Baby Comanche,” N5390P.
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Pilot Shannon Hicks-Hankins and co-pilot Pam Rudolph with Speedbird at the
finish in front of Sporty’s.
NOVEMBER 2012
FEATURE
Comanche Flyer
Needs your
Stories, Tips
and Tricks!
SEPTEMBER
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Share your Comanche Knowledge with your Fellow ICS Members
D
o you have a good technical tip or overhaul story you can share? What about a flying experience or recent instructional
experience where you’d learned a lesson from which all pilots could benefit? Maybe a trip you took in your Comanche
that you’d recommend to others. We also desperately need in-flight photos of your Comanche to feature on the cover
of the Flyer (needs to be at least 1 MB in size to print well). Anything you can share that would be helpful to fellow
ICS members, we need you to send in your information!
You don’t have to be a writer by trade, just put your thoughts down and tell your story – it will be edited, if needed. Below is a
list of regular columns in the Flyer, and a few new ones that have been suggested (the word count provided is only an average to
help guide you).
Cover photo/Comanche Spirit – Not
only do you get to have your Comanche
on the cover of the Flyer, but we like to
feature the owner so ICS members can
get to know you better. You can fill out an
owner questionnaire and the editor will
write a story about you, or you can submit
your own. Average length is 1,000 words.
Maintenance Q & A – Do you have a
question regarding maintenance on your
Comanche? Send it in and we’ll have our
Technical Directors suggest some solutions. As questions come in and a reader
has an alternate solution, they can send
them in as well. This would be an ongoing
format for maintenance discussion.
Letters to the Editor – Send in your
comments about an article you read in a
past Comanche Flyer. Or you can also
send items of interests you’d like to share
with other Comanche owners that may
not be long enough for an article. Really,
we’d like to hear from you!
From the Logbook – If you have a trip
that you’d recommend to other members,
or a particular “adventure” you’ve taken
in your Comanche that you’d like to
share, this is the column! We have
featured trips in story and journal
formats. Average length is 1,500 words.
Technically Speaking – We like to
feature technical information you have
found useful in maintaining your Comanche. Maybe it was an ongoing problem
that you finally found a solution or you
want to warn other owners of an issue that
occurred with your airplane. Anything
technical is featured in this column.
Average length is 500-1,200 words.
Product/Vendor Information – Did
you have a good experience with a
vendor that you’d like to share or have
you recently purchased a product that
you’d recommend to other ICS members?
The best information that most owners
get is from others who have experienced
it, so share with us! Average length is
250-750 words.
NOVEMBER 2012
Fly-In Reports – A pretty popular
column, but we don’t see the experiences
some of the tribes are having. Send us
your story. We’d like to hear how your
Tribe is getting together and sharing
the camaraderie. Average length is 250500 words.
Best of the Flyer – This is an easy
one. If you know of an article in past
Flyers that you found useful and you
think needs repeating, send a copy and
we’ll reprint it.
If you have a story that you don’t feel
fits into any of the above categories, send
it anyway. Most issues include feature
stories and we’d like to hear from you.
What do you enjoy learning or reading
about in the Flyer? Do you have
something you can contribute? We’d like
to hear from you!
Send your contributions and ideas
to Editor Kim Blonigen at kblonigen@
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67207.
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2012-2013
ICS Board Of Directors
President:
Secretary:
Vice President
Treasurer:
Zach Grant, ICS #15515, NC Tribe
6736 Chapel Hill Rd.
Indianapolis, IN 46214
Cell: (317) 201-4293
Email: L1011jock@sbcglobal.net
Bob Cretney, ICS #2269, SC Tribe
428 McDaniel Rd
Ferris, TX 75125
Cell: (214) 725-6584
Email: bob.cretney@lecwireless.com
Jerry Jesion, ICS #14746, NC Tribe
26980 Coachlight
Woodhaven MI 48183
Ph: (734) 692-6152
Email: gjesion@gmail.com
Pat Donovan, ICS #12246, MS Tribe
421 Piper Ct.
Troy, MO 63379
Phone: (636) 462-8370
Email: icstreasurer@centurylink.net
Past President:
Bernie Mazurek, ICS #7947, NC Tribe
41816 Rayburn Dr.
Northville, MI 48168-2085
Ph: (734) 420-2691
Cell: (734) 717-4946
Email: bmazurek@aol.com
CFF President: (non-voting)
Lorne Harmon, ICS #12436, SW Tribe
1491 Northridge, Prescott, AZ 86301
Ph: (928) 717-2630
Email: flying@cableone.net
Tribe Representatives and Chiefs
Southeast:
Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Phillip Hobbs, ICS #10509
Ph: (704) 360-4754
Email: phobbs1@carolina.rr.com
Northeast Tribe
Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Bernie Stumpf, ICS #7300
25 Littlebrook Rd.
Westerly RI 02891
Ph: (401) 348-0997
Email: bernard.stumpf@verizon.net
North Central:
Tribe Chief Bob Williams, ICS #13853
647 Robins Gate
Akron, OH 44319
Ph: (330) 867-6711
Cell: (330) 592-3111
Email: gus_wms@yahoo.com
Tribe Rep Cliff Wilewski
1651 Grumman Drive
Rockford IL 61109
Ph: (815) 395-0500
Cell: (815) 979-7785
Email: cliff@heritageaero.com
Mid States:
South Central:
Europe:
Tribe Rep Hugh Hunton, ICS #6821
2569 Barron Road
Keithville LA 71047
Ph: (318) 925-2302
Email: hhunton@comcast.net
Tribe Rep Monica Rehkopf, ICS #14462
Am Loh 5
Siggenhofen 85570 Germany
Ph: 49-8121-229333 (h)
49-8121 229333 (w)
Email: mrehkopf@omnijet.de
Tribe Chief Bob Cretney, ICS #2269
428 McDaniel Rd
Ferris, TX 75125
Ph: (214) 725-6584
Cell: (214) 725-6584
Email: bob.cretney@lecwireless.com
W. Canada:
Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Ken Mori, ICS #3894
1433 Copper Mountain Court
Vernon BC V1B 3Y7 Canada
Ph: 250-545-2491 (home)
Email: coppmtn1@telus.net
E. Canada:
Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Stewart Campbell, ICS #16294
229 Yellow Birch Drive
Kitchner ON N2N 2P4 Canada
Ph: (519) 568-7491
Email: sgcampbell@primus.ca
Tribe Chief/Tribe Rep Lester Breckenridge, ICS #9711
Rt #3, Box 87
Appleton City, MO 64724
Ph: (417) 395-2397 (h)
Cell: (660) 679-1473
Email: ljbreck@live.com
Southwest:
Tribe Chief Ed Moore, ICS # 12926
456 S Sierra Way
San Bernardino CA 92408-1425
Ph: (909) 888-9859
Email: edmoore7472p@aol.com
Tribe Rep Scott Myers, ICS #16819
1041 Jasmine Ct.
Vista, CA 92081
Ph: (760)727-7444 (w)
Cell: (760)-519-8604
Email: n9382p@gmail.com
Northwest:
Tribe Chief Dennis Springer, ICS #10237
4796 Drew St. N.E.
Salem, OR 97305
Ph: (503) 390-9444
Email: DJ8161P@comcast.net
Tribe Rep Bill Case, ICS # 16889
P.O. Box 549
Lebanon OR 97355
Ph: (541) 259-5557
Cell: (503) 260-2473
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Samuel Appavoo – Canada
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Larry J. Whitbeck - IL
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Ken Shaffer - MD
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Comanche Flyer •
11
ICS 2012 Annual General Membership Meeting
September 14, 2012, Baltimore, Md.
Budget Approval, Bylaw Revision and Candidate Election Results
by Sally Williams, ICS Elections Chair
C
ongratulations to those ICS members who participated in the electronic ICS 2012 election. Our first
attempt at electronic voting showed a
decline in the number of ballots cast from
previous years for the slate of 2012-2013
ICS officers, the proposed bylaw change,
and the 2013 budget. As an example, in
2011, 392 of 2,334 current members returned ballots resulting in 16.80% of the
current membership voting. Casting ballots electronically eliminated the necessity of mailing, organizing and counting
paper ballots – a definite cost and time
savings. However, as a reminder, our ICS
bylaws state in ARTICLE VIII, NOMINATIONS AND VOTING how we will decide
the election of officers, accept the budget,
approve any bylaw change, and establish
the quorum for the purpose of holding
our Annual General Membership Meeting. This is why you were encouraged to
cast your ballot, as every vote counts.
Thanks to Dave Fitzgerald, our webmaster, for developing electronic voting through our ICS web site. Electronic
voting rapidly indicated the number of
members who logged into the ICS web
site and voted, and through safeguards
collected and tallied the ballot results.
The ICS Elections Committee – Sally
12 • Comanche Flyer
Williams, Monica Rehkopf, and Jenny
Buttle – urge you to continue to take
part in the future of ICS by casting your
ballot in every election.
The 2012 election results are below.
Please keep in mind that everyone did not
vote on every issue or candidate.
Ballot Issue #2:
Approval of proposed addition to ICS
Bylaw, ARTICLE I, MISSION AND VISION,
Section 3. Conduct and Ethics as published in the July 2012 Comanche Flyer.
Passed with 87.74% FOR, and 6.45%
AGAINST.
Ballots Received:
ELECTION OF OFFICERS
155 current members returned ballots
resulting in 6.8% of the current membership voting.
President, Zach Grant
(Uncontested) 100.00% voted FOR
Ballot Issue #1:
Approval of the 2013 Operating Budget as published in the July 2012 Comanche Flyer.
Passed with 92.90% FOR, and 2.58%
AGAINST.
Vice President, Bob Cretney
(Uncontested) 97.42% voted FOR
Secretary
(VACANT)
Treasurer, Pat Donovan
(Uncontested) 96.77% voted FOR
Date Prepared: September 14, 2012
ICS Webmaster Assistant Needed
W
e are looking for a member who would be interested in becoming an assistant to help manage the ICS website. It would be good to have some
basic understanding of HTML, css, java script and mysql, although being
proficient in all of these programming languages is not entirely necessary. If you are
interested, you can contact Dave Fitzgerald at aaviator@neo.rr.com or call him at
(330) 936-7979.
NOVEMBER 2012
Southeast Tribe Member, Roger Jennings,
Receives the Wright Brothers’ Master Pilot Award
I
CS Member Roger Jennings of the
Southeast Tribe was recently awarded the Wright Brothers’ Master Pilot
Award. This award is widely considered
the most prestigious award the FAA issues to pilots certificated under Title 14
of the Code of Federal Regulations. It
specifically recognizes senior aviators
who as safety minded professionals, have
contributed over 50 years to the piloting
of aircraft.
incident-free flight operations, and a certificate of recognition personally signed
by Michael Huerta, acting administrator
of the Federal Aviation Administration. In
lasting tribute, his name will be recorded
for posterity in the “Roll of Honor,” (also
known as “the Aviation Safety Hall of
Fame) a leather-bound book prominently
displayed today at the FAA Headquarters
Building in Washington, D.C. Roger will
hold scroll number 14 representing the
state of
Southfor
Carolina.
flying
the environment
The award, of course named Volunteers
after
Roger started flying during the sumbrothers Orville and Wilbur Wright, is
mer of the early 1960s learning to fly at
intended to recognize and celebrate the
lifetime commitment and accomplishwhat we know today as the Charlotte
ments of pilots such as Roger Jennings,
Douglas International Airport. He sucwho continuously present a positive
cessfully completed his first solo on June
image of the FAA in respect to aviation
17, 1961 at6th
the Horizontal
controls of an Aeronca
7FC Champ. Shortly after his solo, and
safety. It consists of a commemorative
wooden plaque, a distinctive gold lawith only 14 hours total flight time, Roger
pel pin signifying 50 years of accident/
purchased a Piper J-4 Cub Coupe.
At age 25, he moved to Las Vegas,
Nev. where he finished his private pilot’s
license and eventually traded the Coupe
for a retractable-gear Globe Swift. Soon
enough, a stronger, faster single Comanche was purchased and flown for14 years,
yet in 1982 was replaced by Roger’s now
beloved and tenderly cared for Twin Comanche with its greater comfort, safety,
and counter-rotating propellers.
Volunteer Pilots Needed
Roger is also the proud owner of a
Lake
Amphibian which he confides is
since 1979.
mostly just for fun. Having now owned
the PA-39 Twin Comanche for the last
32 years, Roger has completed or overseen 15 Supplemental Type Certificate
improvements and is justifiably pleased
with his exceptionally smooth and quiet
running bird.
Phone: 307-332-3242 • www.lighthawk.org
Congratulations Roger, for being honored for this prestigious award!
Volunteer Pilots
Needed
Volunteer Pilots
Needed
Volunteers flying for the environment
since 1979.
Volunteers flying for the environment
since 1979.
Phone: 307-332-3242
www.lighthawk.org
Phone: 307-332-3242
www.lighthawk.org
Comanche Flyer •
NOVEMBER 2012
Quarter
13
FEATURE
Stabilator Horn Issue
A
D 2012-17-06 is the final rule
on the stabilator horn issue and
can be found via the Current
News tab on the ICS home page
(comancheflyer.com) or by going to the
FAA website (www.faa.gov). Service
Bulletin 1189 referenced in the AD can
also be found on the ICS home page
under Current News.
Clarification of the AD from ICS
President Zachary Grant:
As with all things that are met with
significant emotion, please DO NOT jump
to conclusions. Please READ the official
FAA text of the AD, as well as the Federal
Register comments. Discuss these with
your maintenance person or organization, and make sure everyone understands what must be done, what credit
can be taken for the previous inspections,
if any, and what the future inspection
compliance schedule looks like.
Below are some points about the AD.
1. The AD requires that the inspection
be completed using the inspection
procedure in Piper SB 1189 (removal
from aircraft, removal from torque
tube, Dye Penetrant inspection, reassembly if found crack free). No other
method of inspection is allowed
under this AD, and unless the inspection was done as per SB 1189, no
credit can be taken, however the
AMOC process is allowed if you wish
to apply for one.
2. The initial inspection interval is 100
hours time in service from whatever
time you have on the aircraft on Oct
22, 2012, the effective date of the
AD. IF, the horn has been inspected
as per SB 1189 previously, the AD
allows for the repetitive inspection
criteria to be used as outlined below.
3. If after the inspection, the old parts
are reused, repetitive inspections are
then required every 500 hours TIS or
five years, whichever comes first.
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THIS IS NOT CALENDER YEARS,
but in fact five years from the date
signed off. If a NEW horn is installed,
then there is a 1,000 hour/10-year
moratorium on inspections, but
after that period, you must replace
again, or be subject to the fiveyear/500 hour inspections, same as
with the reused parts.
4. If your aircraft has been previously
inspected as per SB 1189, then there
is no requirement to re-inspect within 100 hours of Oct. 22, 2012. You
must, however, look back and see
when the previous inspection was
done, and whether it reused an existing or salvaged pitch horn, or if you
installed a new one. Based on that
information, the next inspection is
due at 500 hours/five years from time
and date, or 1,000 hours/10 years
from time and date, respectively.
5. The torque values stated for the horn
through bolts are “FAA-ese” for stating that the torque value should be
60 in/lbs., plus measured nut drag.
Please do not misunderstand the AD
and torque automatically to 120+ in/
lbs. (see note one in the AD text).
6. The STC for the Australian ICS horn,
may or may not be a terminating
action for the AD, based on how the
STC is written, when and if it is
approved, and whether the AD is
revised based on that STC. We hope
that it will be a terminating action
removing the requirements for future
repetitive inspections.
Although Piper and the FAA do not
believe constant removal and inspection will do more harm than good,
there is always the possibility of that.
Available in the Mechanics Corner
area of the Technical tab on the ICS
home page is a step-by-step direction
on how to best remove and reinstall
the tail assemblies. Please pay special
attention to this to minimize the
potential for damage during disassembly and reassembly.
Last, but not least, please report
any issues to ICShorn@yahoo.com.
Although no mandatory reporting is
required in the AD, as your type club
and primary advocate before the FAA,
we would like to have as much supporting data as possible for future initiatives
should they be required or desired.
If you have any further questions,
please contact one of the Maintenance
Resource Advisors at ICS and we will be
happy to go over what is required. All
of our contact information is listed on
page 11, of this Flyer.
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ONLINE INTELLIGENCE
www.comancheflyer.com
Single Winterization
From the Comanche Owner’s Forums
I
can’t seem to find any information
on winterization kits or plates for my
single. My old Piper Warrior had a
plate for cold weather operation. The
Comanche 250 doesn’t have cowl flaps,
so I’m concerned about operating this
plane in sub-zero weather without some
way of offsetting the airflow.
Are there any cold weather 250 pilots
out there with some tips for this up-andcoming winter?
Scott
___________________________________
The only thing you might want to do
is cover the oil cooler. You can be as
sophisticated with this endeavor as you
would like to be, duct tape being on the
low end of the scale. An aluminum plate
covering the cooler works well also.
Then if you’re really paranoid, you can
fine tune the air flow through the cooler by drilling holes in the aluminum
plate. At the end of the day, holes aren’t
needed, and you can safely cover the
cooler without concern that you will
overheat the oil.
But to be on the safe side and satisfy
your concern, start with the duct tape
and cover only half, and see how that
works. If you’re satisfied, you can be
done. If you want the oil warmer, cover
some more. You’ll probably end up with
the cooler being entirely covered. Since
the same type airplanes differ, be conservative and start with half. You can
call Lycoming to verify what I have said,
and I recommend that.
Dave Gitelman
16 • Comanche Flyer
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I was thinking the vernatherm controlled the oil temperature.
it in the spring. Or, at some time, I have
removed it on the way south, just four
plate nuts and screws.
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Jay
If the vernatherm is operating correctly, it will close the oil cooler off
when temperatures drop. If your oil
temps are dropping as the weather cools
off, then it’s likely that the vernatherm
is sticking “open.”
I’ve had my IO-320s at temps of 30
below for as long as two-and-a-half hours
and never seen oil temps drop below
about 180. I don’t like the winterization
kit thing because it causes issues when
flying from cold to warm areas. For example, that flight at 30 below was going
from Oregon to Palm Springs in the winter time, and I sure didn’t want my oil
cooler covered when I departed from
Palm Springs at 85 degrees.
Jay
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[I was thinking the vernatherm controlled the oil temperature.]
It does, to some extent, in conjunction with the oil cooler. In very cold
weather, the oil temp may not get high
enough, and in that case the only way
to increase it is to limit the cooling at
the oil cooler.
Dave Gitelman
___________________________________
Dave, and all, I have had a plate
solid over mine for years, and it works
fine. I install it during the fall and remove
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I spoke with Lycoming yesterday and
received the following information from
one of their engineers:
First, the vernatherm allows oil to
always flow at a minimal amount to prevent cold oil staying static in the cooler.
He was not sure of the amount that flows,
but he said it was a reasonable enough
flow to allow cooling the moment the
engine starts. At roughly 150° F, it starts
to allow more flow until a maximum flow
at 185° (these temps may not be exact).
It is important you maintain at a
minimum of 165° oil temp because it is
roughly 50° hotter in other areas of the
engine, and you need to burn off any
water that is present. He stressed that
while the entire engine is vulnerable to
corrosion from this moisture, when you
shut down your motor, you don’t want
water to settle on the top of your camshaft. Cylinder walls are also sensitive
to this moisture.
I have the stock Comanche oil temp
gauge that only gives me a 60°, 200°,
and 260° mark, and the gauge is graduated so I don’t know when 165° is obtained. The next time I have it in the
maintenance hangar, we’re going to remove the oil temp probe and place it in
some water heated to 165° and then
mark that position on the oil temp gauge.
NOVEMBER 2012
He had no issue with blocking the oil
cooler in cold weather, especially for
those who like to do low power cruising
at higher altitudes.
Also, on a related subject, he recommended a min cylinder head temp of 150°.
Scott
___________________________________
Are you sure he said 150° min cylinder head temp? If that’s what I saw,
I’d be really concerned. I’d believe 250.
In any case, he confirmed for you that
covering the oil cooler is perfectly acceptable. I wouldn’t get too concerned
about determining an exact point on the
temp gauge. If the temp is around the
200 mark, you’re good. If it’s significantly lower, then you need to raise it.
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I also found this 150° min CHT temp
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The following is from a series of
online postings from the Comanche’s
Owner’s Forum. These postings are provided for informational purposes only.
The views expressed in these postings
represent the opinions of individual
Comanche owners and have not been
vetted by the ICS technical committee.
As a responsible pilot and aircraft
owner, you should always seek advice
from an experienced, trusted source,
such as your A&P or CFF-trained CFI,
before applying any of the techniques
or recommendations presented in
these postings.
The postings are printed as they appeared. Due to space considerations,
only selected posts have been published.
NOVEMBER 2012
Comanche Flyer •
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Is there a place where I can get
both the Piper and the Lycoming Service Bulletins?
Yes. Below is a link to the
Lycoming SBs which you can
download in pdf format:
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/
support/publications/service-bulletins/
index.html
And this is a link to the Piper Comanche SBs: http://www.piper.com/home/
pages/PublicationResults.cfm
Since these two links are from the
manufacturer’s websites, they are closer
to “the horse’s mouth” and would likely
be complete.
Dave Clark
• • • • • • • • • • •
Q:
I have a 1962 PA24-260
with an O-540 engine. After
a flight, this aircraft will not
start. I changed out the ignition vibrator
and got three starts and then nothing.
The engine does not even try to fire. I
also replaced the ignition switch and the
coil in the LH magneto. I have checked all
the wiring and made sure of the ground
connections. I have cleaned the battery
cable clamps and ensured the manual
18 • Comanche Flyer
primer is working. The internal engine
timing checks out and I have good spark
in all the plugs. The compressions are
all WNL. Do you have any ideas of what
may be wrong?
A:
You have an O-540 engine
on your PA24-260, which is
carbureted, not fuel injected.
This makes a difference in the approach
to the problem. I had an experience
similar to yours on a PA24-180 (which
also has a carbureted engine) on which
I performed an annual inspection before
it was shipped to Australia. I had trouble
starting the engine for a ferry flight. I tried
five times, and it started on the fifth try. I
thought during the 45-minute flight how
underpowered the engine seemed to be,
but I dismissed it. Since I fly a Twin Comanche, and the little O-360 would seem
anemic. In hindsight, I reckon it may
have been operating on reduced power.
I flew the plane to my home airport
where it went into the avionics shop, and
then I taxied it to my hangar. Again, I
had great difficulty starting it, cranking
for a very long time until it finally fired.
I’d prime, and it would kick over, but
then die. Twenty minutes later the engine
quit. It is the only true engine failure
that I have experienced, and it was on
the ground. So I set about checking it
out and replacing everything: bladders,
hoses, screens, and then the carburetor.
The fuel bladders had been “refurbished”
and I found a sliver of residue from the
sealant was in the carburetor fuel nozzle.
Even though you have fuel, you may not
have atomization, and this is what I’d
direct you to. If you feel that you have
spark, and good mechanical condition,
i.e., good compressions, then fuel is the
only other option.
While you have tested that you have
flow, if you don’t have atomization then
you will not gain a balanced fuel/air mixture, and I suspect the problem is going
to be in the carburetor. I would open the
carburetor and clean it out, especially
the nozzle, and then give it a try. Also
check the logbooks and see if the tanks
have ever been “refurbished” since that
will be a warning flag. If you find that
the engine starts after you clean out the
carburetor, then you will have identified
the problem. You might also contemplate
having the carburetor overhauled since
the nozzles do wear, and this is an item
that does need overhauling. It rarely gets
done. Usual cost is about $1,000 for an
overhaul if you send it out.
Pat Berry
NOVEMBER 2012
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Comanche Flyer •
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NORTH TO ALASKA –
ICS 40TH ANNIVERSAR
ICS will commemorate its 40th year
in 2013 and the Northwest Tribe wants
to celebrate at the 2013 Convention by
CRUISING NORTH TO ALASKA!
Electronic registration
available on the ICS web site
(www.comancheflyer.com).
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NOVEMBER 2012
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CONVENTION NEWS
It’s a Party and You’re Invited!
I
n 1973, a small organization was born
and named the International Comanche Society. That group has grown
over the years and in 2013 will celebrate
40 years as an organization. The Northwest Tribe is throwing a birthday party
on land and sea, and we are inviting
you, your family and friends to join us
as we celebrate.
The 2013 Convention will be June
27 – July 7. Thursday, June 27, through
Saturday, June 29, we will be at the Holiday Inn in Renton, Wash. On Sunday,
June 30, we will board Holland America
Cruise Line’s MS Oosterdam for a 40th
Anniversary Cruise to Alaska.
The room rate at the Holiday Inn will
be $109 per night, and they will honor
that rate three days before and after the
nights ICS members will be staying. The
hotel is close to both the commercial
airport at SeaTac and the general aviation
airport in Renton (RNT), and they will
provide shuttle service to both airports.
Our host FBO will be PRO FLIGHT, who
is a member of ICS and has great people
to work with. The convention registration
form will have a space for you to enter
your flight number and time of arrival
if you are flying commercial. If you are
flying your own airplane, please enter the
approximate time of your arrival. This
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Puget Sound
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Tuesday
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Juneau, Alaska
Full day
Thursday
July 4
Sitka, Alaska
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Friday
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Ketchikan, Alaska
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Saturday
July 6
Victoria, British Columbia
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NOVEMBER 2012
information is provided to the hotel so
that they can schedule shuttle drivers.
Their goal is to not make us wait long
periods of time at either airport.
The party starts on Thursday with
registration and a welcome dinner that
evening. Friday will include board meetings, seminars and a trip to Pike Place
Market and the harbor area. In order to
get the information in the Flyer, we have
not included the costs of that trip. It will
be whatever the bus company charges
for transportation and can be paid at the
time of the convention. Friday night will
be Tribe night, and we will be providing
a list of area restaurants in the Flyer at
a later date. Saturday will start with the
Annual Meeting and new Board Meetings.
It will also include Airport Day, which will
be held at the Renton Airport with seminars in the morning, a barbecue lunch
at the airport and Flagship judging in
the afternoon. That evening will be our
40th Birthday Banquet at which time the
Flagship Awards will be presented, and a
representative from Holland America will
be there to give information on boarding
and what you can expect on the cruise.
On Sunday, June 30, we will board
the MS Oosterdam and sail to Alaska,
our northern-most state in the Northwest
Tribe. On the following Sunday, July 7, the
cruise will return to Seattle and transportation will be provided to the Holiday Inn. If
you are flying out commercial or on your
own airplane, the Holiday Inn will provide
a shuttle for you. We advise you let them
know before you leave on the cruise so
they can schedule drivers. Shuttle service
will also be available to you as long as you
wish to stay at the hotel.
Comanche Flyer •
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What is a Party without a Present?
The Northwest Tribe will be presenting commemorative gifts of a 40th
Anniversary wine glass and a 40th Anniversary windbreaker for all who attend
the convention. (If you would like extra
wine glasses, as soon as we have a price,
we will provide a chance for you to order
more.) The ICS convention registration
form has a place for you to enter sizes for
your windbreaker. If you wish to have it
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made arrangements
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The Ship
MS Oosterdam
This ship accommodates a total of 1,916 passengers on a
vessel of 82,000 tons. There are fewer guests, so you get more
personal attention, and a sense of spaciousness and elegance
throughout. These are the advantages of cruising aboard a
Holland America Line ship.
Large Interior Stateroom, approximately 151-233 sq. ft.
Category L prices from $1,099 per person
Large Ocean View Stateroom, approximately 174-180 sq. ft.
Category F prices from $1,399 per person
Deluxe Verandah Ocean View Stateroom, approximately
212-359 sq. ft. with verandah
Category VF prices from $1,499 per person
Superior Verandah Suite, approximately 372-384 sq. ft.
with verandah
Category SY prices from $2,299 per person
* Additional categories are available upon request.
* Port charges are included. Government taxes are additional at $156.86 per person. Third or fourth in the cabin are
$599 per person plus government taxes.
All special meal requests and the purchase of trip cancellation and medical insurance is available and highly recommended for your travel protection. Please contact our experienced
travel personnel to make these arrangements on your behalf.
They can also make commercial airline arrangements for
those wishing to fly into Seattle/Tacoma International Airport.
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Sample Excursions in the Ports of Call:
Juneau – Helicopter flight-seeing and glacier trek, dog sledding on the Mendenhall Glacier
Ketchikan – Alaska bear adventure by floatplane, magnificent Misty Fjords by floatplane
Sitka – Sitka bike and hike, volcano coast exploration by ocean raft, wilderness sea kayaking adventure
And More – It’s all your choice for an outstanding experience with scenic cruising and excursions that will
expand your horizons with wilderness adventure.
NOVEMBER 2012
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PILOT’S OPERATING HANDBOOK
AND FAA APPROVED
AIRPLANE FLIGHT MANUAL
“Formerly Published And Produced by the late Douglas L. Killough”
Piper Aircraft ceased production of the Comanche and Twin Comanche in 1972,
several years before the General Aviation Manufacturers Association (GAMA)
established specifications for the contemporary Pilot’s Operating Handbook (POH).
As a result, the Owner’s Handbook published by Piper is incomplete by modern
standards. Now available EXCLUSIVELY from the INTERNATIONAL COMANCHE
SOCIETY, INC., through it’s licensed agents, is the upgraded Pilot’s Operating
Handbook and FAA approved GAMA format Airplane Flight Manual.
Discounted to current ICS members at $75.00 each, plus shipping (must
ask for ICS member discount and provide ICS membership number when
placing order). Available only through Webco Aircraft at 316-283-7929 or
www.webcoaircraft.com. Available Bound or Unbound/Un-punched.
There are SIXTEEN different GAMA format manuals
available for the Piper Single and Twin Comanche.
Please order your manual by “Manual Number 1-16”
from the chart below.
TO ORDER CALL WEBCO AIRCRAFT AT 316-283-7929 OR
WWW.WEBCOAIRCRAFT.COM. Specify “Bound” or “Unbound/Un-punched.”
Order
Qty
Manual
Number
Model
Gross
Weight
Year(s)
Mfg
Flight Manual
Report Number
SN
Begin
SN
End
01.)
180
2550
1957-64
1047
24-1
3687
02.)
250
2800
1958-60
997
103
2298
03.)
250
2900
1961
1127
2299
2843
04.)
250
2900
1962-64
1179
2844
3687
05.)
250
2900
1962-64
1220 (FI)
2844
3687
06.)
260
2900
1965
1334
4000
4299
07.)
260
2900
1965
1333 (Carb)
4000
4299
Singles:
Not Avail
08.)
260B
3100
1966-68
1359
4300
4803
09.)
260B
3100
1966-68
1358 (Carb)
4300
4803
10.)
260C
3200
1969-72
1545
4804
5028
11.)
260T
3200
1970-72
1640 (Turbo)
4901
5028
12.)
400
3600
1964-65
1295
26-3
148
13.)
PA30
3600
1963-68
1269
30-2
1744
1969
1515
1745
2000
Twins:
14.)
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PA30T
3725
1964-68
1269 (Turbo)
143
1744
1969
1515 (Turbo)
1745
2000
15.)
PA39
3600
1970-72
1605
39-1
155
16.)
PA39T
3725
1970-72
1605 (Turbo)
1
155
NOVEMBER 2012
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FEATURE
ICS President Zach
Grant presenting at the
General Meeting.
2012 Baltimore
Convention
in Review
Pete Morse, ICS-NE Chief (retired)
T
he weather was perfect for the 2012 Baltimore Convention – bright sunny
days, with daytime temperatures in the low 80s and nights cooling to the
lower 70 degrees. The gentle breezes made exploring Baltimore on foot very
pleasant, and the clear skies were perfect for flying.
Attendees at one of
the many seminars
provided at the
convention.
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The Flagship award winner was this PA30 (N8818Y)
owned by Alan and Kate Burrows of the European Tribe.
”Comanche row” at the Martin State Airport.
Charlie and Patti Littwin from the Southeast Tribe won
the award for Best Single with their PA24-260 (N143VP).
The Best Twin award was given to Ron and Lynn Ward
from the Northeast Tribe for their PA30 (N11KY).
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A number of ICS members took the
suggestion to come early and spend
time enjoying the sights of Baltimore.
The Inner Harbor area has undergone a
major facelift in the past few years and
offers many fine attractions. The free
transportation on the Charm City
Circulator bus routes made everything
within easy reach.
About 60 people attended the full
convention, a decline over past years.
Again the ICS Convention was held
responsible for unfilled hotel rooms.
The total attendance did swell to over
85 for the weekend events. There was
lively participation in scheduled meetings and good attendance for the various seminars. Of special interest were
the speakers from NASA who spoke on
topics ranging from the Joint Polar
Satellite System, a source of weather
images and analysis, to current exploration projects of the Mars Rover. Another
popular presentation was by pilot Fred
Hall telling of his experiences flying the
Berlin Airlift in the late 1940s.
ICS-member seminars on insurance
and maintenance were well attended,
with quality cooperation from the
vendors present. Other topics covered
were the Comanche Pilot Proficiency
Program (CPPP) and problems with
aging aircraft, both in the form of an
open discussion, and drawing on the
expertise of ICS President Zach Grant.
The vendors were quite busy, talking to
a number of the attendees.
The Friday evening dinner and
General Membership Meeting proved
very successful. Convention attendees
enjoyed a fine buffet dinner followed by
the meeting. Most people stayed to find
out what ICS has been doing and to
participate in the open question and
answer portion.
Van transportation was provided to
and from Martin State Airport each day
of the convention. This was especially
important for the strong turnout for
Airport Day on Saturday. Members got
to inspect the many aircraft that flew
in, especially the seven entries in the
Flagship competition.
This year we offered a Pilot Companion
ground school as an alternative to
Airport Day activities, with 25 people
attending. The course covered the process of a flight, from initial planning to
ground and flight operations, explaining
what is going on in the mind of the pilot.
While the pace, at times, was like drinking from a fire hose, many attendees felt
encouraged to take an active part in
future flights with their pilots.
The final convention activity, a dinner and three-hour cruise on the Spirit
of Baltimore, was very popular. The
dinner buffet was excellent and the
relaxed atmosphere provided plenty of
time to get better acquainted. Photos
from the convention, including Airport
Day, were on display in a running slide
show during dinner.
The Flagship awards were presented
at the close of dinner with Charlie and
Patti Littwin from the Southeast Tribe
winning for Best Single with their PA24260 (N143VP); Best Twin was awarded
to Ron and Lynn Ward from the
Northeast Tribe for their PA30 (N11KY);
and the Flagship winner was Alan and
Kate Burrows of the European Tribe for
their PA30 (N8818Y).
Thank you one and all to those who
made this convention a reality. Baltimore certainly lived up to its name as
the “Charm City.”
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NOVEMBER 2012
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You know how valuable the International Comanche Society has been to you for helping you learn about and enjoy
your Comanche airplane, both singles and twins, providing a high-quality magazine, and for the camaraderie you’ve
experienced among your fellow members. Don’t let your membership lapse or miss a single issue of Comanche Flyer!
And for convenience, we are now offering multiple-year memberships! Fill out the renewal form below, and e-mail, fax,
or mail it back to us, and keep enjoying the International Comanche Society!
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One of the beauties of owning and flying your own airplane is the quality time you get to spend with your spouse, traveling to
new destinations or social events, and filling the memory book for years to come. Your spouse can also join the International
Comanche Society for only $34.50! With a spousal membership, your spouse will receive a Membership Kit containing a folder,
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NOVEMBER 2012
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An African
Adventure:
Flying a Twin Comanche
around Africa (Part 3)
by Robert Limb
Editor’s Note: Below is the remainder of Robert Limb’s 2011 adventure of flying
around the African continent in his 1964 Twin Comanche. Part Three begins
where Robert is getting ready to leave Nairobi.
T
he following morning, I headed to the airport and met
Moses; we were quickly through security and at the
Comanche. Moses had already paid the landing fees
and parking, so all I needed to do was file the flight
plan for that day’s flight, as well as the one to Lokichogio in
northern Kenya. I filled in the appropriate forms in the Kenya
CAA dispatch office and then waited for approval to depart. After
several minutes, the friendly lady told me there was a problem
with my clearance to fly in the Nairobi FIR. After several calls
and some problems logging in to their computer system, I was
told that my overflight clearance would only permit me to fly
from Nairobi to Lokichogio, but that she was trying to get a hold
of the manager of the CAA to get permission for my detour via
Masai Mara. Everyone was very helpful; after an hour of trying
she apologised and told me they couldn’t get the manager, and
no one else could give me the necessary approval.
I headed back to the plane and explained the problem to
Moses. As I secured it for parking until the flight to Lokichogio, a couple of Kenyan pilots came up and asked about my
Comanche and trip. Moses explained the problem I had and
the next thing I knew, they were offering to drop me off with
their Cessna Caravan at Kichwa Tembo. Evidently they were
taking several people to another lodge about five miles away;
they also kindly offered to pick me up the morning of my flight
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to Lokichogio, as they would be collecting others in the Masai
Mara. Thirty minutes later we were taxiing out in the Caravan
and soon on our way across the Rift Valley to Kichwa Tembo.
Once in the air, the boys were really flying low – no more
than 30 feet off the ground at about 140 knots – that was fun.
They pointed out some giraffes which we quickly dodged around
before making a curved approach into Kichwa Tembo airstrip.
The Murram surface was good, but quite rough. I was glad I
didn’t have to land on it in the Twin Comanche, especially as
the loose gravel could have damaged the propellers. I thanked
Military checkpoint in El Arish, Sinai.
NOVEMBER 2012
From the Logbook
Final checks being made to the replacement tyre and wheel at Malakal.
my pilot friends for the excellent flight and then met people
from the lodge who had a much-needed welcome drink.
The game drives in Masai Mara were excellent, and the
ranger guide was very knowledgeable being from the region.
The animals were wonderful, and we saw the big five. With so
much space and a feeling of tranquility, the environment was
very different from that I experienced in Sabi-Sabi in Kruger.
I would recommend both, as each is unique.
After an excellent weekend, with great hospitality and food,
it was time to head back to Nairobi and on to Lokichogio. As
promised, the Cessna Caravan arrived. Without shutting the
engines down, I hopped on board, and we were soon on our way.
As soon as we landed at Nairobi Wilson Airport, I was met by
Moses who had completed all of the formalities, and I had the
approved flight plan, NOTAMS, etc. The density altitude at just
after noon was 9,000 feet (the airport elevation is 5,540 feet
OAT 36 Deg C). From the performance calculations, I required
NOVEMBER 2012
a good deal of the available 5,200-foot runway to take off. I also
was well above the single engine maximum altitude of 5,500
feet, so there was little room for error.
Once I was cleared for takeoff, I powered up the engines
and held on the brakes for a final check. I released the brakes
and accelerated quite rapidly down the runway. Rotation was at
90 MPH indicated airspeed which was actually a ground speed
of about 105 MPH; it definitely felt faster than normal. Once
clear and climbing at 500 ft/min, I made a gentle right turn, as
requested, and was cleared to my cruising level of FL100. As the
flight was relatively short, I filed VFR. After several frequency
changes given to me by Wilson, I finally got contact with Nairobi
Control. I gave them my estimates for NAK and LOV VORs,
and for Lokichogio. I was flying up the Rift Valley, the visibility
was quite poor due to haze, but I could make out several lakes
which appeared to be in old calderas. The steep edges of the
valley were quite impressive, and I could see Mount Kenya off
to my right, some 50 miles away.
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At Lodwar, the green part of the lower Rift Valley had been replaced by dry
rocks and scrub. About 25 miles from
Lokichogio, I requested descent and
cleared. The airfield was only at 2,000 feet
elevation. Engines shutdown and paperwork completed, the handler got a single
55-gallon drum I needed to refuel. Everyone was very welcoming and explained
that the airfield was very quiet since the
UN moved in to south Sudan following
independence. The town was very poor
with sand for roads, mud huts, and the
odd basic shop on either side of the street.
The hotel was a compound of round
huts with straw roofs; I was shown to my
room (hut) which was clean, but somewhat Spartan. A quick shower of cold
water only was somehow refreshing. After
dinner and drinks, I looked at the weather
on my iPad; thanks to the United Nations
there was a good internet connection. The
bed had a mosquito net and a spray can
was attached to the wall which I activated.
There was no air-conditioning, but the
fans seemed to do the job. The next day,
I was headed to Sudan and into the Arab
part of Africa.
From Kenya to White Waltham
The next morning, I paid the bill
which included dinner, drinks, transportation and the room and rounded it
up to $50, including a tip. At the airport,
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I was waved through the security hut
and walked to the plane. I loaded the
flight plan into the Garmin and checked
it against my PLOG and the airways chart
for correctness – you don’t want to be off
course in Sudan as they will shoot you
down with a missile or something similar!
I had to fly at or above FL120 because of
potential targeting from the ground – not
a particularly comforting thought.
Takeoff was to the east, and I had to
fly about 70 miles in that direction before joining the airway and flying north
because of the military area on the border with Sudan. About 80 miles before I
reached the reporting point, Adono Addis asked me for my latest estimate for
Khartoum which was 20 minutes later
than I had originally calculated at 09:40,
due to the stronger than predicted headwinds. A little later Addis told me that
Khartoum airport was closing between
09:00 and 13:00 UTC and asked if I had
the NOTAMS. I responded that I had the
NOTAMS given to me in Lokichogio, and
there was nothing about Khartoum closing. After further waiting, Addis called me
back and told me that Khartoum could
not accept me until after 13:00, which
was about six hours away, and asked what
I planned to do. I weighed my options:
I could proceed to Dongola which was
my alternate, but they might not have
Left, the painted columns at
Medinat Hebu – still rich and
vibrant after 3,500 years of
exposure to the elements.
Flying over a field full of giraffes
in Masai Mara (right).
fuel, and it would be very tight to return
to Khartoum after getting there. I had
landing permission in Sudan, but not in
Ethiopia, and I doubted there would be
avgas there. Looking at the airfields in
Sudan, I had two viable options: Malakal
which was 136 nm to the west of my track
and 364 nm from Khartoum, or El Obeid
which was 366 nm away and a further 201
nm from Khartoum. I got out the plates for
both options and they were both suitable
airports. I elected for Malakal, as it was
the nearest to my planned route and the
shortest overall distance to Khartoum. I
contacted Addis and explained the plan,
which they relayed to Khartoum.
At about 40 miles out, I started my
descent and as I got closer, I could see
the airfield which was right next to the
White Nile. I touched down smoothly
and kept the aircraft straight in the gusty
conditions, but as I lost rudder authority
at about 40 knots, I got caught by a strong
gust. I touched the brakes and used the
nose wheel to keep on the centre line of
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the runway, as there was quite a bit of
rubble at the edges of the runway even
though it was reasonably wide.
I must have hit the brakes too hard because as I finally slowed down for the exit
on my right, I realised I had a flat tyre.
Fortunately, I was able to clear the runway and move to a suitable parking place
on the very wide apron. I shutdown the
engines and completed my paperwork,
then got out to have a look at the tyre. It
was completely flat. Very quickly about
15 people showed up and I explained that
I needed a jack as I had a spare tyre and
inner tube. Almost immediately a man
appeared with a truck jack and some
breeze blocks. He spoke good English and
I showed him the jacking point under the
wing. He seemed very knowledgeable and
told me he was a driver and mechanic;
he even made sure the good wheel was
chocked. I showed them how to take the
wheel off and soon we had it free, but the
brakes pads were still around the disk.
After some further discussion, someone
unscrewed the hydraulic line and the
wheel was free, but hydraulic oil was
starting to leak out of the hose which I
tried to plug with a rubber glove.
The mechanic soon had the wheel
halves apart and the new tyre and inner
tube installed. I got the wheel with the
new tyre installed on the axel and fitted
the brakes. We still needed to inflate the
tyre which I should have done before
fitting it to the axel, but I was concerned
about the ground clearance. We got a
truck and used its air supply to inflate the
tyre to the correct pressure. We needed
to bleed the brakes, and I had a small
quantity of the correct hydraulic oil, but
despite valiant efforts using a redeployed
oxygen cannular hose to act as a hydraulic line to the bleed valve, we were unable
to get all the air out of the line.
The right brake on the unaffected tyre
was fine, but the left brake was soft due
to the trapped air. I now had two good
tyres, but only one fully working brake.
I gave the mechanic $200 and asked him
to buy a meal for everyone who helped
me. He initially refused, but I insisted. I
decided to repack the plane, prepare the
PLOG, and program the Garmin for the
flight to Khartoum. It was around 12:00
UTC and I wanted to leave in the next
30 minutes. I called the handling agent
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on my Satphone and gave him a revised
ETA for Khartoum. Fortunately, the gusty
conditions that prevailed when I landed
had dissipated, and I was soon heading
northwards to Khartoum.
After finally establishing two-way
communication with Khartoum, they
passed me the latest weather which included: visibility of 4,000 metres in a sand
storm! About 30 miles from LAGRA, I
requested descent and was cleared. An
Egypt Air 737 was cleared for the ILS,
and I was number two with a KLM 777
behind me. As the sun was starting to go
down, I repeated my approach brief and
checked all the Navaids one more time.
I was cleared for approach and asked to
keep my speed up. I was soon fully established on the ILS using the autopilot for
a fully coupled approach. I could see the
lights of the city and at about two-and-ahalf miles, I picked up the runway lights.
Just as I landed, the KLM 777 reported
he was at eight miles.
With only one fully functional brake,
I was careful exiting the runway and used
differential power to follow behind the
ramp vehicle. Khartoum airport is a very
busy place and I was parked next to a
monster Russian helicopter. After shutting down, the marshaller asked me what
time I planned on departing the next day,
as he was concerned that the helicopter
would blow my plane over. Fortunately,
my departure time was well before that
of the helicopter. The handling agent and
fuel people were soon at the plane; and
accompanying them was a soldier with
a rifle who stood guard.
Back at the terminal building the next
morning, we passed through the crew/
employees channel. After no less than
six security scanners and metal detectors for my bags, we finally arrived at a
departure gate and boarded a bus to the
plane. Twenty minutes after takeoff, I leveled off at FL100 and set up the aircraft
for long range cruise. The Nile River was
now far off to my west, but was still a
distinct bright blue line in the haze over
the Nubian Desert.
Landing at Luxor, I noticed that the
airport and apron were enormous, but I
only saw one other aircraft which looked
like a Hawker! I discussed the hydraulic
oil for the brake with the handling
agent, and asked him to try and source it.
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Unfortunately, the only container with
the required fluid was empty. After securing the aircraft, we headed to the terminal building which was large and very
modern, but empty. Allah, my handler,
used to be an accountant at my hotel and
had secured a good rate for me. He also
organized a visit to Karnak Temple for
the light show that evening, and a guide
and taxi the next day to visit the Valley
of Kings and a few other archaeological
sites. The hotel is on the eastern bank of
the Nile, and from my balcony, I could see
across the river to the Valley of the Kings.
I was up early the next morning and
after breakfast, the taxi with my guide,
Salah, picked me up. We crossed the
Nile and followed the road along the
west bank to the Valley of Kings. Unfortunately cameras were not allowed in
the Valley of Kings, but the tombs were
very impressive, and I was able to visit
those of Ramses II, IV and Tutankhamen.
We then visited Hatshepsut to see several tombs constructed for high officials,
all very interesting and in many ways
more revealing about the daily lives of
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the ancient Egyptians. For me, the most
impressive thing about all the monuments
and tombs was the richness and vibrancy
of the painted murals and columns after
3,500 years of exposure to the elements.
The next morning, I woke at 06:00
for the relatively short flight to El Arish,
Sinai on the Mediterranean Sea. After
paying Allah, I called the tower for start
and taxi. I got my clearance, but it wasn’t
as I had filed. I asked the controller to
repeat the clearance and wrote it down. I
reprogrammed the Garmin with the new
routing which took me up the Red Sea
and very close to the Israeli border. It was
almost 10:30 a.m. local time and quite
warm, so the climb to FL100 was done at
the optimum speed for best cooling.
There was a lot of traffic routing in
and out of Sharm; my TCAS had more
targets than I’d seen for quite sometime.
Despite that, I appeared to be away from
the traffic and enjoyed the views of the
Red Sea and St Catherine’s Mountain.
Later, I was running up the eastern coast
of the Sinai Peninsula, and in the haze
could make out the Saudi coast on the
far side of the Red Sea. I soon reported
10 miles to TBA, but the controller didn’t
respond immediately. I tried again, as I
was quite aware that I was in a very sensitive area and wanted to make sure my
radio calls were clear. I knew they were
being monitored by the Israelis, and they
had one fighter airborne at all times to
reduce response time. At eight miles to
TBA, I was told to proceed direct.
I flew from the desert over the green
oasis which was El Arish. On landing and
parking, I requested fuel straightaway
to allow an early start in the morning. I
parked and removed my bags from the
aircraft. At that time, I realized I couldn’t
find the key for the plane. After further
searching, it occurred to me that with
all that happened in Luxor, I may have
inadvertently left it in the door. Up to
this point, I had been meticulous with
a set procedure for the key, but it was
rumbled by all the hassle with refuelling.
The golden rule is to always refuel on arrival. With the exception of Port Elisabeth
where the fuel was closed for the day, I
had stuck to that rule except in Luxor.
My handler called the guys in Luxor
(they belong to the same handling company) to see if they could find the key.
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I asked him about security at the airport
and understood it wouldn’t be a problem.
We boarded a bus for the 60-metre journey to the terminal and after a short wait
while the immigration official checked
my passport, Osman, my handler, told
me that I had to have an armed guard
and police escort to the hotel due to the
security situation, as we were close to the
border with Gaza. We got in the taxi, and
with the police escort, proceeded with
speed to the hotel. Every few hundred
yards, there were tanks, soldiers and some
anti-aircraft installations dug in beside the
road; about every mile, in the middle of
the road, there were large mounds of sand
which needed to be slowly negotiated like
a chicane while a machine gun covered
the area. It all looked quite serious, but the
police just waved to their colleagues at the
checkpoints. I was more concerned about
the AK-47 that the policeman had in the
front seat, going off by accident. After 20
minutes, we arrived at the hotel which sat
behind the beach facing the Mediterranean
Sea. Once I was checked in, I wandered
around town, it was very quiet.
I awoke quite saddened to be leaving
Africa after what had been a great adventure. Osman arrived to take me to the
airport, with no police escort this early in
the morning. He informed me that they
had found the key in Luxor and would
mail it to my home address in the UK.
We took the bus to my plane and as we
were pulling alongside it, the driver said
something about a flat tyre! I got off the
bus and could see that the tyre on the main
gear on the side opposite to the one that
blew in Malakal was deflated. I discussed
with Osman and we decided to wait for
the Egypt Air training people to arrive.
The bus took us to their workshop where
I examined a tyre on one of their 17 brand
new G1000 Skyhawks; it was the same
size and type as my aircraft - what luck!
Osman went to talk to the manager
of the maintenance workshop, and a few
minutes later, returned and introduced me
to him. The manager was happy to assist.
We went in the workshop, and they allowed us to borrow their air compressor with
its reservoir and hose and pressure gauge.
We wheeled it across to my plane and in
no time had the tyre inflated. However,
we could hear the sound of air escaping.
The maintenance manager came, and
we all agreed that the tyre needed to be
looked at. Thankfully they were willing to
assist. I discussed with the manager the
type of tyre needed and showed him the
details in the maintenance manual on my
laptop. He also confirmed that it was the
same type as they used! We inspected the
tyre, and it seemed to be in good shape,
but the air was escaping from the valve
assembly. After more inspection, it appeared that the air was leaking around
the valve itself – they suspected damage
to the brass thread or seal.
Osman had a discussion with the
manager in his office and he was willing to sort everything for $300. A new
inner tube was installed and the wheel
reassembled. As they were doing this,
I observed that they have a pump for
hydraulic oil. I asked the manager if we
could also purge one of the brakes, as I
thought it had some air in the line – he
was happy to assist. A bit later, the CFI
of Egyptian Aviation Academy came over
and asked if he could show the students
the airplane. I was soon conducting a tour
and shaking hands with everyone. We had
a photo session with the mechanics, and
I paid the manager and thanked him and
the team for their help. I taxied back to
my original parking place, and everything
was working correctly. As I was getting
ready for takeoff, I got several calls on
the radio from the instructors and the
CFI wishing me all the best for my trip.
It was 304 nm to Milos across the
Agean Sea, and as the miles counted down,
I started seeing many of the Greek Islands
– Karpathos, Rhodes, Santorini and, far to
my south, Crete. As I approached Milos,
I was given the rest of my routing which
was Tripolis, Araxos, and finally Kerkira on
Corfu. As I reached Araxos, I could see the
lights illuminating the towns on the islands
in the Ionian Sea; it was quite picturesque.
As I approached, I saw the runway and
the lights of the town clearly. After landing, parking and securing the plane for the
night, the handler and I were soon in the
terminal building where customs had a
cursory look at my passport – welcome to
Corfu. I arranged with Takis, the handler,
to meet after the Easy Jet flight arrived
in the morning, as my wife, Tracey, was
bringing the spare keys for the plane.
Once in a taxi, it took only five minutes
before arriving at the Hotel Bella Venezia,
close to the centre of town.
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The next morning, after rising unusually late for my trip, Takis called and said
the Easy Jet flight had landed 15 minutes
early. We pulled up just as Tracey exited
and Takis waved from inside the terminal. We met him and then proceeded
through security and across the apron
to the plane. With the spare key, I soon
had the cover and various plugs installed,
and we headed back to the hotel to drop
off Tracey’s bags. The next couple of days
were spent exploring Corfu.
We were up bright and early for our
flight to Cannes-Mandelieu. After preflight checks and loading, Tracey managed to squeeze into the passenger seat
without dislodging the bundle of cables
for the Satphone, tracker, iPad and Garmin. After cleared for takeoff, we quickly
turned over the bay to the north of Corfu,
on track to Brindisi.
was happening, I got a TCAS alert 400 feet
above me. A minute or so later, a DA42
passed overhead heading northwards. I
reported the TCAS alert to Rome, but
they had no knowledge of the aircraft.
I picked up the latest Cannes ATIS and
Nice informed me to expect a LOC A follow by VPT A to Rwy 17. The latter is a
visual manoeuvre with defined waypoints
mainly to reduce noise. When I reported
visual with the field, I was told to fly to
LUXUS which was the entry point for
the visual manoeuvre. We followed the
procedure and landed after a flight of four
hours 50 minutes. We were soon in the
taxi headed to our hotel on the Croisette
and then went to the beach.
After an enjoyable two days in Cannes,
we headed to the airport for the return
flight to White Waltham. It was quite a
long trip, as ATC didn’t give any shortcuts.
As we passed over the mountains to
the east of Salerna, the winds were changing very rapidly from a sudden 25-knot
tailwind to a 10-knot headwind, and back
to a 25-knot tailwind. Amazingly, the
flying conditions were relatively smooth.
Turning at Sorrento to fly across the bay
of Naples, I had a great view of the island
of Capri on my left side, and Vesuvius on
my right. As we turned over to Elba, we
were told to contact Marseille. Just as that
London managed to shorten our route a
little, and left us at FL100 until we approached Midhurst. A rapid descent over
Farnborough and we were soon handed
over to White Waltham for the final landing of the trip.
For the statisticians amongst you, the
total distance travelled on this “African
Adventure” was 14,233 Nautical Miles as
recorded by the Spidertracker. Total flight
time was 104.8 hours. Fuel consumed
was 5,365 litres or 51.2 litres per hour.
Average speed was 135.8 knots. Twentyfour landings AND takeoffs were made!
Amazingly the only problems were
a flat tyre on landing at Malakal and a
deflated tyre whilst parked overnight at
El Arish. Despite being almost 48 years
old, N7EY never missed a beat – a true
testament to the quality of build and design of the Piper Twin Comanche.
The Egypt Air maintenance workshop
team and Robert (third from left).
A look back at Corfu Town on departure.
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FROM THE TRIBE CHIEFS
MID-STATES TRIBE
Saturday Lunch Fly-Ins
Saturday Lunch Fly-Ins will be posted
in our new Comanche Winds newsletter
which will come out every other month,
and are now posted in the calendar summary in the Flyer.
Also, we will be sending out e-mail
notices a month before and the week of
the fly-in. There are several fly-ins already
in the process, so watch your e-mails.
These fly-ins will focus on having fun,
kicking tires, telling stories and promoting more new and old friendships among
our tribe members.
Be sure to contact the fly-in host for
last minute changes or cancellations,
especially if you are not on the Mid States
Tribe fly-in or newsletter list.
If you would like to host a lunch
fly-in, please call Sarah McKinley
at (816) 868-1015 (cell) or e-mail at
flyingmacs@aol.com.
Tribe E-mail Updates
maintenance talk and lunch, to your liking. You should be able to find a schedule
of the lunch fly-ins on the South Central
Tribe website at http://groups.msn.com/
SouthCentralTribeICS/welcome.msnw
and in the South Central Tribe newsletter
Smoke Trails. (If you wish to organize a
lunch fly-in, please contact Bruce Thumann
at bruce@contractbuilderssupply.com or
(713) 875-3056.)
Tribe E-mail Updates
If you are not receiving the South Central Tribe’s Smoke Trails Newsletter and
would like to, please e-mail Bruce Thumann at bruce@contractbuilders supply.
com, and he will make sure to amend the
list to include your e-mail address.
SOUTHEAST TRIBE
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UPDATED
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Annual New Year’s Fly-In
Fort Myers, Fla. (FMY)
December 29-31, 2012 –
January 1, 2013
If you are not receiving the Mid States
Comanche Winds newsletter and would
like to, please call Sarah McKinley at (816)
868-1015 or by e-mail at Flyingmacs@
aol.com and she will make sure to amend
the list to include your e-mail address.
The Southeast Tribe will host their
33rd annual New Year’s Fly-in at the
Crown Plaza Fort Myers at Bell Tower,
at Fort Myers, Fla. It has been 15 years
since the tribe has had their last New
Year’s Eve at Fort Myers and many things
have changed.
SOUTH CENTRAL TRIBE
Deluxe rooms are $120.99 per night,
tax included, which includes one king
or two double beds. Contact the Crown
Plaza sales reservations directly at (239)
210-2462, and ask for Christine Brosh,
you must state you are with ICS for the
above rate. To ensure your reservation,
Saturday Lunch Fly-Ins
If it is difficult for you to make a full
weekend fly-in, you may find the Saturday lunch gatherings with Comanche
camaraderie, sharing of flying stories,
DATE
TRIBE EVENT/LOCATION
Nov. 3
MS
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Dec. 1
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Dec. 1*
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Dec. 29-Jan. 1 SE
Lunch Fly-in/
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Saturday Fly-In /
Staunton, Va. (SHD)
Lunch Fly-in/
Sikeston, Mo. (SIK)
Saturday Fly-In /
Georgetown, Del. (GED)
Annual New Year’s Eve Fly-In/
Fort Meyers, Fla. (FMY)
* The following Sunday is the raindate.
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INFO SOURCE/HOST
Mac and Sarah McKinley
at flyingmacs@aol.com
Pete Morse at
pete.morse@rogerscorporation.com
Pat Donovan at
pa24pilot@centurylink.net
Pete Morse at
pete.morse@rogerscorporation.com
Doris Click at dorisclick@aol.com
a credit card is needed. ICS has a block
of 15 rooms held until 11/30/12. After
this date, our block of rooms will go back
to the general public and the hotel cannot guarantee a room. If your room is
booked by 11/30/12, the ICS room rate
will be valid prior and after the function.
Cancellation can be made up to 72 hours
beforehand. If you cancel within less than
72 hours, or are a no-show, you will be
liable for one night on your credit card.
Check-in time is 3:00 p.m. If you arrive before then and your room isn’t yet
available, you are welcome in the ICS
Hospitality room. The hotel is going to
try and put all of our rooms together near
our hospitality room. The hotel has complimentary wireless, high-speed internet
access and a refrigerator and microwave
in each room. There is also an exercise
room, tropical heated outside pool and
free parking. They offer a buffet breakfast
for $10.95 each morning, or you can eat
at any of the other restaurants in the area.
Agenda:
Saturday, December 29:
Fly into Page Field, Fort Myers (FMY)
to FBO Base OPS Aviation (open from
7:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m.); their telephone
number (239) 590-6600. Tie-down fee for
three nights will be waived with a fuel
purchase of 10 gallons. It has been noted,
that Page Field has the cheapest fuel in
Florida. The hotel has complimentary
shuttle service either from Page Field or
South West International Airport to the
Crown Plaza. Call the Crown Plaza Hotel
for service at (239) 482-2900. If you plan
to rent a car, rentals are available at the
airport: Hertz (239) 931-3154. Switlik
Aviation Maintenance Shop (Ed at (239)
936-3666) is also on the field.
If you’re driving to our event, use exit
136, off of I-75. After checking in, come
relax in the hospitality room. At 7:00
p.m., we will meet for dinner at our hotel
especially set up for our group.
Sunday, December 30:
Everyone will be on their own to visit
all the local attractions: Edison/Ford Winter Estates Historic Homes; drive to Fort
Myers Beach, Sanibel or Captive Islands;
or play golf at one of the golf courses.
Adjacent to the fabulous Bell Tower Shop
is an abundance of boutiques, up-scale
shopping, dining, entertainment and a
20-screen movie theater.
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REGISTRATION FORM
NAME: __________________________________________________________________________
Registration Fee: $ 20.00 per person
NUMBER OF PEOPLE
TOTAL
____________________
$___________________
Need to know if you plan to attend either dinner to reserve your place.
Broadway Dinner Theater $35.00 per person tax and gratuity included.
Pay for Broadway Dinner/show with your hotel room when checking in #____________________
New Year’s Eve Dinner/Dance celebration, pay with your room.
#____________________
Check Total for Registration
$_____________________
Mail checks, made out to ICS Southeast Tribe, with registration form, to Doris Click, 228
Doolittle Street, Orlando, FL 32839, by December 14, 2012. Please register with the hotel
directly for rooms. Remember to state “ICS” for the rate. The SE Tribe sends an open
invitation to ALL ICS members to come join us and take in another New Year.
If you plan to be one of the 10 air
planes flying to Fantasy of Flight (see
specific information next page), please
register with Bruce Ladrie by calling (919)
427-898, or by e-mail to bruce.ladrie@
gmail.com and send an advance deposit
of $12.50 per airplane. Bruce must have
your deposit check, payable to South
East Tribe ICS, in order for you to be
included in the registration sent with a
signed contract to confirm our organization’s reservation. Fantasy of Flight will
NOT accept personal checks due that
our group is receiving a special rate. It
is a MUST that Bruce has your check
in hand by November 28 for you to
be registered. Once Fantasy of Flight
receives our registration, with ICS’ deposit check, they will e-mail Bruce the
full detailed requirements/forms that are
needed to be filled out and signed. In turn,
Bruce will then forward the e-mail on to
those paid registrants to complete. Please
include all the necessary information/
forms that Fantasy of Flight is requiring,
with your final payment back to Bruce
by December 7. He will then forward all
the registrations with the final amount
due to Fantasy of Flight. Again make your
payment check payable to South East
Tribe ICS. Bruce will hold your deposit
check of $12.50 until 10 planes have registered. The cut-off date to register your
airplane is November 28. If the necessary
10 planes are not met by this date, your
check will be returned to you, and the
Fantasy of Flight fly-in will be cancelled.
Your advance deposit of $12.50 is nonrefundable once our contract is sent to
Fantasy of Flight.
AIRCRAFT
COVERS
At 5:00 p.m., we will meet in the lobby
to attend Broadway Palm Dinner Theater
for “Fidder on The Roof.” The hotel’s van
will transport those who do not have a
car. The show starts at 5:30 p.m. Dinner
will be a five-course gourmet buffet of
beef, fish and chicken, for $35.00 per
person, tax and gratuity included. We
have three tables reserved until December
14. Tickets sell out fast, so please make
your reservation early.
TOLL FREE:
Monday, December 31:
& ENGINE PLUGS
800.777.6405
phone: 408.738.3959 fax: 408.738.2729 e-mail: bruce@aircraftcovers.com
WWW.AIRCRAFTCOVERS.COM
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42 • Comanche Flyer
Matt Kurke will present a seminar at
8:30 a.m. to noon at the FBO’s conference
room. The ladies can “shop ‘til they drop.”
Our Comanche group will gather at
our reserved tables at 7:30 p.m. in the
dining room for dinner. Chef Kevin is
preparing a very special multiple-course
dinner selection, which will not be on the
menu. In addition to the special dinner,
you may choose from the hotel’s regular
popular menu. A D.J. will play from 8:00
p.m. until midnight bringing in the New
Year with noise makers and champagne.
A cash bar will be available.
Tuesday, January 1:
Depart, at your leisure, after enjoying
breakfast.
NOVEMBER 2012
Fantasy of Flight Details
F
antasy of Flight is a private airfield in Polk County, Fla. where permission
to land is mandatory and will be granted only by following the guidelines.
Fantasy of Flight requires a minimum of ten (10) airplanes to qualify for
their fly-in program, plus 20 persons.
Reservation Requirements
Reservation at least (4) weeks prior to arrival.
Acceptance and signature on their form.
Adherence to all applicable deadlines.
Acceptance and signature by every pilot of the “Fly-In Agreement” found on
their website at www.fantasyofflight.com/flyinagreement.htm
Advance Deposits
A non-refundable advance deposit of $12.50/per airplane is due with a signed
contract to confirm our Organized Fly-In reservation. The deposit may not be
transferred.
Confirmation/Guarantees
Fantasy of Flight requires guaranteed numbers, ten (10) days prior to arrival:
Total number of aircraft attending
Total number of guests
Expected arrival time
Expected group meeting time
Final Payment
Balance is due no later than ten (10) days prior to arrival, based on the guaranteed number of aircraft provided to Fantasy of Flight. No refunds or credits will be
given for food and beverage due to cancellations or “no shows.”
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Cancellations
ADVANCE DEPOSIT REFUNDS GIVEN ONLY IF CANCELLATION IS IN WRITING AND IS RECEIVED BY Fantasy of Flight no later than ten (10) business-days
prior to your arrival. An advance deposit refund, less $12.50/per plane cancellation
fee, will be given.
Proof of Insurance
All pilots must be personally insured, hold a current pilot certificate and current medical certificate.
Individual Pilot Registrations
Each pilot will be required to sign and return a “Pilot Registration Form” as
provided by their Sales Representative. Each pilot will then be registered for checkin upon arrival.
Runway Information
Fantasy of Flight’s runways are 5,000 feet and 2,600-feet long. The runways are
grass and always kept in top condition. All pilots are required to make their own
judgment as to the current condition of the runways.
Pilot Rate Includes:
Landing Fee
Admission to Fantasy of Flight
Private one-hour guided tour
Specially selected lunch in themed Officers Club
All taxes/gratuities: $73.00 per pilot
Passenger Rate Includes:
Admission to Fantasy of Flight
Private one-hour guided tour
Specially selected lunch in themed Officers Club
All taxes/gratuities: $41.00 per person
NOVEMBER 2012
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FEATURED FLY-IN
Visiting Historic
Vicksburg, Miss.
by Hugh Hunton
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NOVEMBER 2012
O
n Friday, September 7, summer was still hanging on in
the deep South with a forecast high of 100 degrees.
That morning, Clara and I loaded 78P
to attend a South Central Tribe weekend
Comanche Fly-in in Vicksburg, Miss. We
took off at 8:00 a.m. and turned east for
an expected one-hour flight. Leveling at
5,500 feet where it was smooth and still
cool with good enough visibility to enjoy
the Louisiana scenery, the Mississippi
River soon came into view. What a shock
to see the water so low! Overflying the
Vicksburg/Tallulah Airport, we saw that
several Comanches (and a Cardinal) had
already arrived.
After landing, we were greeted by our
friend and tribe guru Bruce Thumann.
He escorted us to Southern Heritage Air
Foundation’s big hangar for check-in and
beverages. In this hangar was a P-51, a
T-6, an Aviat Husky on amphibious floats,
a Swearingen SX 300, a meticulously
restored Beech 18, and a Beech Barron,
ALL in flying status. The Foundation’s
Waco happened to be away at the paint
shop that day, or else it would have been
in the hangar as well. There were also all
kinds of artifacts and flying memorabilia
in the adjacent rooms. It was a really
neat place!
The ironclad river
gunboat “Cairo” at the
Riverboat Museum.
Note from your hosts, Bruce and Tina Thumann:
Y
ou will note that the Vicksburg
post fly-in report above was written by SC member and Vicksburg
guest Hugh Hunton. That was for two
reasons, mainly because Hugh did an
excellent job, but just as important, because if I had written the report, I could
not have resisted going into great detail
about our typical close calls that always
seem to haunt any Thumann fly-in. Just
so you won’t think this one went off without a hitch and was the beginning of a
new era of normalcy for the Thumann
fly-ins, here is the short version.
1. Hurricane Isaac went through Vicksburg
the weekend before our fly-in (I think
Mother Nature had the wrong date down
and was one week ahead of schedule!).
Although the damage was actually minimal for most in Vicksburg, it did close
the Military Park for a day or so, which
was our main attraction for the fly-in.
NOVEMBER 2012
2. There was only one “black” cloud over
Vicksburg Saturday morning, the day of
our big event at the Military Park. It let
loose just as we were entering the gates
of the park. The deluge only lasted long
enough to let us know who was in charge
of our day, but a slow drizzle “did” serve
as a reminder through most of our tour.
3. And for the icing on the cake … we
changed hotels only three weeks prior
to the fly-in due to bad reviews after the
Casino filed bankruptcy at the original
hotel. The reviews became such a serious
concern that Tina and I actually went
back to Vicksburg to stay in the hotel
to see for ourselves if the bad reviews
were credible. All along, the hotel management insisted that the casino was a
separate entity and had not affected the
hotel. Long story short, the reviews were
credible, and lucky for us, we made the
switch to another hotel and casino that
very weekend and notified everyone
to do the same as soon as we returned
from our reconnaissance mission. To
say it was a close call would be an understatement. It just so happened that
the very weekend of our fly-in was the
same weekend we all witnessed moving
vans at the original hotel loading up
the hotel furnishings for storage.
So, if you are living in one of those
drought-stricken areas of the country,
or even Australia, Africa, or any other
“exotic” destination, we are taking money
offers to bring floods, hurricanes, or some
other form of wet event to your area,
disguised as a Comanche Fly-In. Our
reputation is well known, and we can
practically guarantee water in some form.
References available.
Disclaimer: Not responsible for devastation beyond our control and/or your
expectations. Bruce and Tina Thumann
Comanche Fly-Ins “at your own risk.”
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Bruce’s wife, Tina, soon arrived and
loaded us and several other morning arrivals into a van for lunch and a tour of downtown Vicksburg. That evening, the whole
group of 28 people gathered for dinner
at a fine restaurant in one of Vicksburg’s
historic old buildings. It turned out that
the building had a long history, but one
unique story was that it was the first place
shoes were boxed up back in the 1800s.
It seems that once shoes started being
produced in lefts and rights (pairs), they
needed a way to keep the pairs together,
and the shoe box was born.
Saturday morning at 7:30 a.m., we
loaded up into two vans for a visit to
the historic National Battlegrounds State
Park. The forecasted cool front was passing through so we had to endure several
rain showers. Arriving at the park, each
van was joined by a park volunteer who
narrated the history of the Civil War bat-
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tle and the subsequent siege of Vicksburg.
It was a two-hour driving tour stopping
occasionally to walk through some of
the memorials. This was our first time
through the park and I guarantee that it
will be revisited at a future date!
ball which was fired from a Union gunboat
still imbedded in one of the walls! After
the meal, we were given a tour through
the mansion by a lovely lady who really
knew the history of the house and its
function during the battle.
Saturday afternoon was free time for
everyone. Clara and I, with a couple from
Missouri, visited the historical Vicksburg
Civil War Railroad and Riverboat museum. We also toured the ironclad river
gunboat “Cairo” that was sunk during
the battle and was on display just as it
was dug up out of the Mississippi River
100 years later. There was enough wood
left to see how the structure was shaped
and most of the ironworks, including the
paddle wheel, to get a good idea of how the
ship was made. It was very interesting!
Sunday, we woke up to a beautiful,
clear, cool day. The Thumanns shuttled
the gang to the airport (located in Louisiana, about 10 miles east of Vicksburg)
and since (for once!) we were the closest attendee, Clara and I were able to
say our “goodbyes” and watch the early
departures fly off into beautiful clear blue
skies. We took off at about 10:30 a.m.,
headed west, and climbed to 4,500 feet in
smooth, clear, cool air for our hour flight
back to Bluebird Hill Airpark. It was a fun
weekend with a lot of fellowship. Thanks
to Tina and Bruce for sponsoring another
“Great One”!
That evening, the attendees dined at
Cedar Grove, a B and B that was built
around 1840. There is a Civil War cannon
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PA24-180
1959 PA24-180, N6117P, 3766TTAF, 1252SMOH,
191SPOH, Must see rare NDH, price reduced again,
Gorgeous “all 9s”, Modern avionics withGarmin 430
IFR Suite, Beautifully restored, Outstanding condition,
Very well maintained, Numerous upgrades, “Like new”
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corrosion, Regularly flown, Complete detailed original
logs, Oregon, asking $39,750 /OBO. Call Gabriel or
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PA24-260
1965 260, well maintained IFR. N8651P, S/N
24-4094. TT5540, SMOH1782, Prop1292. New
Sky-Tec starter and cables, Stec 50 autopilot, 3-yr
new leather interior. King KX155, 170B, KMA,
Garmin 496 with XM radar. Paint 6+. Losing
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1962 Comanche 180: s/n 24-3085, approx 2600TTAF.
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2779 Aero Park Drive
Traverse City, MI 49686
Phone: (800) 773-7798
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1966 PA260B SN 24-4411 N8954P TTAF 3000,
SMOH 1392, Prop SMOH 71 Hrs.Center Stack
Panel with 2 King 155's, 6 Seat, Met-Co-Aire Wing
Tips, Knots2U Gap Seals, Custom Blue Interior,
Electric Trim, Hartzell Prop, 4 Fuel Tanks, 1-Piece
NOVEMBER 2012
Windshield, New electric fuel pump, Hangared in
Phoenix since I bought it in 1978. Lost Medical,
out of Annual, $47,500. Bob (602)996-0800,
bobloeb@q.com
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1967 PA30B: 1330 TT Since New Engs, Props and
Airframe. Excellent Condition, Always Hangared.
GNS430, GTX 330, MK12D. $72,500. Contact
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Parts from 1967 PA-30B: Original tail beacon,
two prestolite starters, wing tips with position
lights, overhead temperature gage. OTHER: King
KR-86 ADF with 42B antennae in the original box,
engine oil quick drain, 31 Champion REM 40E
spark plugs(need cleaning but good),heater fuel
diaphragm, heater shut off valve, Harrison oil
cooler model APO9AV06-01,PN 8529245,
Harrison oil cooler model APO7AU06-03, PN
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tank selector tray. For information and prices
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IO-320B1A (PA-30) engine, 403 SMOH, $15K
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YEAR, Model Year of Aircraft
MODEL, PA 24-180, 250, 260, 400
SERIAL NUMBER, Serial Number of Aircraft
N-NUMBER, Registration Number of Aircraft
TOTAL AIRFRAME TIME, Total Hours On Airframe
AIRFRAME DAMAGE HISTORY, Any Damage
History e.g. Gear Up Landing
TOTAL ENGINE TIME, Total Hours On Engine Since
Factory New or Remanufactured
ENGINE TIME SINCE TOP OR MAJOR OVERHAUL
PROPELLER TIME, Total Time On Prop Since New
or Overhaul
ANNUAL INSPECTION DATE
FLIGHT INSTRUMENTS, Standard Gyro Panel,
Electronic Flight Instrument System
RADIO / NAVIGATION EQUIPMENT LISTING,
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• WEATHER ADVOIDANCE EQUIPMENT, Stormscope,
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• AUTOPILOT, Type & Make of Autopilot
• INTERCOM
• INTERIOR CONDITION & NUMBER OF SEATS
• EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, Gap Seals, Wing
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A&P
AI
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AP
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C/R
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DF
DG
DME
EFIS
EGT
ELT
E/P
F/D
FGP
FWF
GPS
G/S
GSP
H/P
HP
HSI
IFR
IMC
Air Conditioning
Airworthiness Directives
Automatic Direction Finder
Artificial Horizon
Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic
Aircraft Inspector
Audio Panel
Autopilot
Course Deviation Indicator
Cylinder Head Temperature
Communication
Counter Rotating
Carburetor Temperature
Direction Finder
Directional Gyro
Distance Measuring Equipment
Electronic Flight Instrument System
Exhaust Gas Temperature
Emergency Locator Transmitter
External Power Plug
Flight Director
Full Gyro Panel
Firewall Forward
Global Positioning System
Glide Slope
Ground Service Plug
Heated Pitot
Horsepower
Horizontal Situation Indicator
Instrument Flight Rules
Instrument Meteorological Conditions
ILS
LE
LOC
LORAN
M/B
MDH
NDH
NM
NAV
OAT
OH
PET
RB
R/C
RE
RG
RNAV
SB’s
SCMOH
SFN
SFRM
SMOH
SOH
S/N
SPOH
STOH
TBO
TT
TTAE
TTSN
XPDR
Instrument Landing System
Left Engine
Localizer (Runway Centerline Guidance)
Long Range Navigation System
Marker Beacon
Major Damage History
No Damage History
Nautical Miles
Navigation Radio Receiver
Outside Air Temperature
Overhaul
Piper Electric Trim
Rotating Beacon
Rate of Climb
Right Engine
Retractable Landing Gear
Area Navigation
Service Bulletins
Since Chrome Major Overhaul
Since Factory New
Since Factory Remanufacture
Since Major Overhaul
Since Overhaul
Serial Number
Since Propeller Overhaul
Since Top Overhaul
Time Between Overhauls
Total Time
Total Time Airframe and Engine
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